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Re: Who’s swapping their Mk7/7.5 then...
« Reply #140 on: 12 March 2020, 20:18 »
Is it something to do with having to get WLTP regs for every possible iteration of spec? BMW seem to have moved more to packs with no option to spec the individual bits outside it.

Yes almost certainly.

I suspect that you'll only have a handful of options to choose from and maybe even just a plus pack.... The only one I'd be interested in is the hud tbh.
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Re: Who’s swapping their Mk7/7.5 then...
« Reply #141 on: 13 March 2020, 09:29 »
Golf vs BMW 1 vs Focus:

https://www.carmagazine.co.uk/car-reviews/comparison/2020/vw-golf-vs-bmw-1-series-vs-ford-focus/

Some not very good things said here about the Mk8's touch screen:

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the touchscreen itself can be recalcitrant and slow to respond. It has an interface that needs concentrated learning, rather than intuitive menu-hopping on the fly. We might have been saddled with an unusually latent screen in our pre-production car; we've tried another that was far less laggy.

But the system can be so obfuscating you wonder if some traditional Golf buyers might be put off by a test drive. The modish slider controls used to adjust volume and temperature also don't illuminate at night, and are slow to register your inputs, while the navigation map is awkward to pinch, swipe and pull about. The Tesla Model 3 just about gets away with its even more button-averse interior because its touchscreen is so intuitive and accessible; on the basis of this first meeting, the Golf's just isn't slick enough.

I wonder if there are again 2 different MIB units - a low powered one and a "pro" one like in the Mk7...

The lack of illumination on those sliders is a bit of a crap thing too.

The interior shot of the Golf also highlights the glare coming off of that football pitched sized slab of piano black plastic:



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Re: Who’s swapping their Mk7/7.5 then...
« Reply #142 on: 13 March 2020, 09:35 »
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The 1.5-litre Golf intoppy R-Line trim will set you back £26,630 but will be more given its options, including DCC and LED matrix headlights (which we'd pass on, given their lack of urgency to dim for oncoming cars at night during our test)

So matrix LED is just as bad as the old system... interesting. The VW UK brochure lists these as £1750 inc VAT. That's a lot of money for something a reviewer would say was questionable.
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Re: Who’s swapping their Mk7/7.5 then...
« Reply #143 on: 13 March 2020, 10:09 »
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The 1.5-litre Golf intoppy R-Line trim will set you back £26,630 but will be more given its options, including DCC and LED matrix headlights (which we'd pass on, given their lack of urgency to dim for oncoming cars at night during our test)

So matrix LED is just as bad as the old system... interesting. The VW UK brochure lists these as £1750 inc VAT. That's a lot of money for something a reviewer would say was questionable.

In 20+ years of driving, I've never really struggled to use full beam myself. I get some things automated are great, wipers and lights coming on is useful. But I certainly wouldn't shell out the best part of £2k for slightly brighter lights that are supposedly slightly cleverer than the normal ones.

I even still like to unlock and lock my car with a key, part of which is that keyless systems mean that approaching the car in the dark your lights don't come on until you are actually at the car.
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Re: Who’s swapping their Mk7/7.5 then...
« Reply #144 on: 13 March 2020, 10:21 »
Golf vs BMW 1 vs Focus:

https://www.carmagazine.co.uk/car-reviews/comparison/2020/vw-golf-vs-bmw-1-series-vs-ford-focus/

Some not very good things said here about the Mk8's touch screen:

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the touchscreen itself can be recalcitrant and slow to respond. It has an interface that needs concentrated learning, rather than intuitive menu-hopping on the fly. We might have been saddled with an unusually latent screen in our pre-production car; we've tried another that was far less laggy.

But the system can be so obfuscating you wonder if some traditional Golf buyers might be put off by a test drive. The modish slider controls used to adjust volume and temperature also don't illuminate at night, and are slow to register your inputs, while the navigation map is awkward to pinch, swipe and pull about. The Tesla Model 3 just about gets away with its even more button-averse interior because its touchscreen is so intuitive and accessible; on the basis of this first meeting, the Golf's just isn't slick enough.

I wonder if there are again 2 different MIB units - a low powered one and a "pro" one like in the Mk7...

The lack of illumination on those sliders is a bit of a crap thing too.

The interior shot of the Golf also highlights the glare coming off of that football pitched sized slab of piano black plastic:



Got to say, the interior of the Mk8 does look great although the lack of proper buttons would definitely annoy me!

In my opinion, the rotary controllers are much easier and safer to use than any touchscreens. Having had a Mk7.5 since July 2017, I am obviously now used to them but quite looking forward to having a rotary controller again. 
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Re: Who’s swapping their Mk7/7.5 then...
« Reply #145 on: 13 March 2020, 14:21 »
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The 1.5-litre Golf intoppy R-Line trim will set you back £26,630 but will be more given its options, including DCC and LED matrix headlights (which we'd pass on, given their lack of urgency to dim for oncoming cars at night during our test)

So matrix LED is just as bad as the old system... interesting. The VW UK brochure lists these as £1750 inc VAT. That's a lot of money for something a reviewer would say was questionable.

In 20+ years of driving, I've never really struggled to use full beam myself. I get some things automated are great, wipers and lights coming on is useful. But I certainly wouldn't shell out the best part of £2k for slightly brighter lights that are supposedly slightly cleverer than the normal ones.

I even still like to unlock and lock my car with a key, part of which is that keyless systems mean that approaching the car in the dark your lights don't come on until you are actually at the car.

One of the things that liked on the MK 7.5 over the MK 7 R is the improvement in lights, creating a really bright 'tunnel' on full beam and find the automatic lights work really well, never had a car flash at me yet and you can visibly see the drivers side lights dipping and then going back to full beam if a car approaches

I have got into a habit locking my car with a key and giving the handle a brush to deactivate the keyless and back into the habit of pressing button to open, and like you said it makes it easier to see what doing as approach the car - if literally just popping in and out of somewhere will use the key less feature but having the flexibility to deactivate the keyless with the MK 7.5 is another nice plus.
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Re: Who%u2019s swapping their Mk7/7.5 then...
« Reply #146 on: 13 March 2020, 14:26 »
1500 quid discount being offered on Mk 8 R line already :)
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Re: Who’s swapping their Mk7/7.5 then...
« Reply #147 on: 13 March 2020, 15:07 »
Actually, I am not convinced the reviewer had Matrix IQ.... just noticed the VW UK brochure offers "high beam assist" as well as "Matrix IQ".

We all know that HBA wasn't very clever (I had it on my Mk7 and it often failed to spot oncoming traffic, particularly on motorways).

Matrix IQ is described as:

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t is characterised by interactive lighting control. This makes night driving even more convenient and safe: light-emitting diodes (LEDs) that can be activated individually replace conventional bulbs. Seventy-five LEDs are used for low and high beam. Seven front LEDs (in five reflector chambers) and three indicator LEDs are also available. All of them are activated for various intelligent lighting functions by the car’s electronics. The decisive factors are signals from the front camera, digital map data from the navigation system, GPS signals, steering movement and current speed. The individual LEDs can thus be activated in a fraction of a second with pinpoint accuracy to offer the best lighting for the situation. With “Dynamic Light Assist”, the driver switches on the full beam. The rest – for example dipping the headlights, activating the full beam, city light, optimal motorway lighting or off-road lighting – is carried out by the car itself

Sounds complicated. No wonder its so expensive. However, from what VW have said, the hardware is already there, it just needs enabling.

I guess with Lane Assist being standard equipment, it has the camera - we already know from the Mk7 that this is the key to dynamic lighting. After that it needs the multi component LED's - again, standard. Finally it needs all of the driving data - and the Mk8's all have nav units, so it has that too.

Ultimately then its just a piece of software that reads available data and controls those.

Funny to read then a VW public statement that says:

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Democratisation - lighting technology must remain affordable
Over the course of the decades, lighting functions have developed from static lights in the Beetle to highly complex, sometimes interactive lighting systems. And Volkswagen has never made participation in these innovations dependent on the customer’s wallet: the respective Golf generation was always a reflection of technical progress. This also applied to lighting development – and still does. The Golf was fitted with halogen headlights early on, which, as time went on, became increasingly bright. This was followed by the first xenon headlights, LED tail lights, LED daytime driving lights and, with the e-Golf (energy consumption in kWh/100 km: 14.1–13.2 (combined); CO₂ emissions in g/km: 0 (combined); efficiency class: A+.), the first LED headlights. It is also clear that IQ.Light and the subsequent innovative lighting systems will make their way into the Golf and other Volkswagens.

Maybe someone somewhere in VW thinks a piece of software licenced for your car at 1700 quid is a "democratic price".
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Re: Who%u2019s swapping their Mk7/7.5 then...
« Reply #148 on: 13 March 2020, 23:42 »
1500 quid discount being offered on Mk 8 R line already :)

Just got a quote for £26,500. That's with a £3200 discount, so around 11% discount already.

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Re: Who’s swapping their Mk7/7.5 then...
« Reply #149 on: 14 March 2020, 09:23 »
£4k off the 150ps 1.5 R Line at Drive The Deal, plus a 'free' Nav Pro. Doesn't seem unreasonable to me.
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