Pcp golf gti

[Jim_mk7.5]

Of course the base price has risen in the last 2 years, we all know that!

But as SRGTD pointed out above, you can still get a well spec’d GTi with more power and better tech for a little over £28k.

[kmpowell]

Of course the base price has risen in the last 2 years, we all know that!

But as SRGTD pointed out above, you can still get a well spec’d GTi with more power and better tech for a little over £28k.

You're possibly missing the point. You are talking as if £28-29k is still cheap, that's dramatically more than what was available just a few years ago. Incremental price rises, model dropping, and other factors such as inflation and currency adjustments have caused the car to be more expensive.

I'd hardly call a car with just a pan roof and metallic paint "well spec'd" either. If you're happy with base spec then yes, but as a Golf caters for all tastes and needs, it soon becomes even more expensive once you start adding a few other bits on such as larger wheels and audio.

Looking at the brochure from this time in 2016 the non PP base price is £3k less on all GTI's than it is at today's starting base cost of a PP, and it was exactly the same in 2017 which saw no price rises. Then in 2018 the multiple price rises and model trimming started, the price jumps and they also trim off the 230 so only a PP can be bought, and in 2019 the manual and 3dr goes.

Go one step further back to 2015 and my brother bought a brand new 5 door manual (no options) and it cost him £23.5k after discount.

Thats not to say other brands have not done the same over the past few years, but the point Moots was making is a valid one... long gone are the days you could walk into a dealer and spend £25k(after discount) on a GTI and walk out happy. It's now much much closer to £30k (after discount) due to price rises and model trimming, and I suspect even more when the MK8 arrives.

[monkeyhanger]

You can blame WLTP for model trimming. Every possible permutation of a car's model (all option combinations) need independently testing under WLTP, so the car makers offer less variety, and minor options get bundled onto packs.

The Golf is a very expensive car now, and the MK8 will be more so - even if the RRP doesn't go up significantly, a lack of deposit contribution at launch will make it significantly more expensive in real terms. There's no real justification for APR% that VAG routinely offers - in Germany, they have  to offer 0.9% to try and persuade them to buy on tick as it is ingrained into German culture not to borrow money - even for mortgages. They're a nation of house renters as a result.

Can't see me hankering for a MK8 Golf at likely over £30k after discounts for a standard GTI and the best part of £500 a month on PCP without dipping into the options bin.

Got our 2 Polo GTI+ bought outright and sticking away £450 a month total back into savings to cover the depreciation. I'd never say never for a great lease deal came up like the giveaway R deals of late 2014.

[Crockers]

You can blame WLTP for model trimming. Every possible permutation of a car's model (all option combinations) need independently testing under WLTP, so the car makers offer less variety, and minor options get bundled onto packs.

he Golf is a very expensive car now, and the MK8 will be more so - even if the RRP doesn't go up significantly, a lack of deposit contribution at launch will make it significantly more expensive in real terms. There's no real justification for APR% that VAG routinely offers - in Germany, they have  to offer 0.9% to try and persuade them to buy on tick as it is ingrained into German culture not to borrow money - even for mortgages. They're a nation of house renters as a result.

Can't see me hankering for a MK8 Golf at likely over £30k after discounts for a standard GTI and the best part of £500 a month on PCP without dipping into the options bin.

Got our 2 Polo GTI+ bought outright and sticking away £450 a month total back into savings to cover the depreciation. I'd never say never for a great lease deal came up like the giveaway R deals of late 2014.

I think you will find Germans are becoming more interested in buying their homes now. The big difference is they get a 25 year mortage fixed at very little over the base rate.

Therefore house prices are more stable and people less willing to keep moving to "climb a hyped property ladder"

[Jim_mk7.5]

Of course the base price has risen in the last 2 years, we all know that!

But as SRGTD pointed out above, you can still get a well spec’d GTi with more power and better tech for a little over £28k.

You're possibly missing the point. You are talking as if £28-29k is still cheap, that's dramatically more than what was available just a few years ago. Incremental price rises, model dropping, and other factors such as inflation and currency adjustments have caused the car to be more expensive.

I'd hardly call a car with just a pan roof and metallic paint "well spec'd" either. If you're happy with base spec then yes, but as a Golf caters for all tastes and needs, it soon becomes even more expensive once you start adding a few other bits on such as larger wheels and audio.

Looking at the brochure from this time in 2016 the non PP base price is £3k less on all GTI's than it is at today's starting base cost of a PP, and it was exactly the same in 2017 which saw no price rises. Then in 2018 the multiple price rises and model trimming started, the price jumps and they also trim off the 230 so only a PP can be bought, and in 2019 the manual and 3dr goes.

Go one step further back to 2015 and my brother bought a brand new 5 door manual (no options) and it cost him £23.5k after discount.

Thats not to say other brands have not done the same over the past few years, but the point Moots was making is a valid one... long gone are the days you could walk into a dealer and spend £25k(after discount) on a GTI and walk out happy. It's now much much closer to £30k (after discount) due to price rises and model trimming, and I suspect even more when the MK8 arrives.

They are well spec’d as standard. For a hot hatch. Add a pan roof and art velour and there’s nothing else you’d ever need.

£28k is cheap. For a brand new car with the performance of the GTI.

[monkeyhanger]

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They are well spec’d as standard. For a hot hatch. Add a pan roof and art velour and there’s nothing else you’d ever need.

£28k is cheap. For a brand new car with the performance of the GTI.

£28k is becoming the norm for a car with discount at or a little above the GTI, doesn't make it cheap.

Car inflation has been crazy over the last 10 years, and we can only blame the last 3 years on Brexit related exchange rates. You could get a new GTI for £19k in 2008/9 (last of the MK5s). Yes it had much less tech (tech is cheap now), but was more solid and had the most sophisticated multilink rear suspension set-up seen on a Golf.

If only my wages had gone up 50% in the last 10 years!

Options are so subjective too - Art Velours is divisive as an interior choice and for me, a pano roof is a good way to introduce rattles into the car. Other people think differently though. I'd rather upgrade wheels if the optional ones are markedly better looking than the standard fit.

[Jim_mk7.5]

That’s what I mean. These days, £28k is cheap. 

M2 - hot small coupe £54k with right options.
A45 - starting at £50k for new one.
RS4 - fast medium sized estate £70k

For reference, there are 1.5 EVO DSG R Lines on 68/19 plate for £28k...!

And another way to spend the same amount is this although you don’t get AID, pan roof or 245bhp... 

[Gtiless]

That’s what I mean. These days, £28k is cheap. 

M2 - hot small coupe £54k with right options.
A45 - starting at £50k for new one.
RS4 - fast medium sized estate £70k

For reference, there are 1.5 EVO DSG R Lines on 68/19 plate for £28k...!

And another way to spend the same amount is this although you don’t get AID, pan roof or 245bhp... 

Is it a bi metal GMT?

[Jim_mk7.5]

Is it a bi metal GMT?

Everose GMT (a friend's not mine), so full rose not bi-metal hence the price tag of a well spec'd GTI 

[kmpowell]

Is it a bi metal GMT?

It's a Solid Everose Gold GMT. IMO the new breed of Rose Gold models are quite vulgar 'fashion' statements.

Add a pan roof and art velour and there’s nothing else you’d ever need.

You have quite the skill, knowing what everybody needs. VW are clearly missing a trick by wasting time offering options nobody needs, you should give them your crystal ball advice.