T-Roc R, maybe GTD, no GTI

[Daz Auto]

Following on from the discussion on Golf replacement and talk about SUVs, I though this was interesting.

https://www.autocar.co.uk/car-news/new-cars/volkswagen-t-roc-r-306bhp-suv-be-most-agile-class

'VW chairman Herbert Diess revealed earlier this year that the fastest T-Roc would bypass the GTI name because "GTI is for us the hot hatch; a sporty car, classless and accessible for many. It should be this car - a hot hatch". For an SUV, Diess said "we have another sub-brand, R".'

"... potentially, a warm GTD set-up. However, the future of diesel engines in smaller cars remains up for debate..."

" I think the standard T-Roc with 4Motion [four-wheel drive] and the DCC chassis with 19in wheels is the most agile SUV in that class," he said. "​If there will be a T-Roc R, it will definitely be even more fun."


Fast, practical and comfortable. If they fit a tow bar to this thing, I can have my cake and eat it.

[barrym381]

Are they not fitting the Tiguan with the rs3 Audi engine 


https://www.autocar.co.uk/car-news/new-cars/hot-volkswagen-tiguan-r-tests-audi-derived-five-cylinder-engine

[I wanted a GTi]

Are they not fitting the Tiguan with the rs3 Audi engine 


https://www.autocar.co.uk/car-news/new-cars/hot-volkswagen-tiguan-r-tests-audi-derived-five-cylinder-engine

They have already fitted it with the GTi engine.

[Guzzle]

Isn't it only 180bhp in the Tiguan though?

[fredgroves]

Hardly a Range Rover V8 though is it?

Which is what these things want to be.

[I wanted a GTi]

Isn't it only 180bhp in the Tiguan though?

Not in other countries, they have the same engine in the GTi

[Daz Auto]

Isn't it only 180bhp in the Tiguan though?

I believe the Tiguan is using a new 2.0L engine EA888 3B. It uses Budak/Atkins/Miller cycle technology to be more efficient, but is less powerful.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JjM14JBPdBI

I wonder why they didn't use this engine in the Troc.

[Guzzle]

Isn't it only 180bhp in the Tiguan though?

Not in other countries, they have the same engine in the GTi

Ahh, good spot. However I note from looking at the German website it is still slightly down on power at 220ps compared to the Golf. So I would surmise there is still perhaps room for a big engined petrol powered halo model to sit above it in the range. 

[barrym381]

Hardly a Range Rover V8 though is it?

Which is what these things want to be.

And about quarter of the price of the Range Rover so can't really compare them

[I wanted a GTi]

Isn't it only 180bhp in the Tiguan though?

Not in other countries, they have the same engine in the GTi

Ahh, good spot. However I note from looking at the German website it is still slightly down on power at 220ps compared to the Golf. So I would surmise there is still perhaps room for a big engined petrol powered halo model to sit above it in the range. 

I've gotten so used to driving diesels now that even driving a friend's GTi a few weeks back and with my driving style it seemed slower than my GTD and to be fair it was slower on the sprint we had.

I would love to see a Tiguan with a 250bhp petrol engine. I didn't consider the 240bhp bi turbo because of the 40k tax bracket.

My wife wanted us to look at an R but an estate, they had one in the showroom and she thought it was the dogs bollocks.