New gti

[physio]

I am about to order new GTi for March delivery , can’t decide if it’s worth me going for
standard GTi  or GTi pp
Gone way past the days of driving 100% flat out  ( get my pension nxt year 😳)
Current choice is
Tornado red , 5 door , dsg , art velour trim , dynaudio , rear camera , keyless , dynamic lights
I do about 6000 miles per year
Any logical reason for me to go for  GTi pp ?

[barrym381]

I am about to order new GTi for March delivery , can’t decide if it’s worth me going for
standard GTi  or GTi pp
Gone way past the days of driving 100% flat out  ( get my pension nxt year 😳)
Current choice is
Tornado red , 5 door , dsg , art velour trim , dynaudio , rear camera , keyless , dynamic lights
I do about 6000 miles per year
Any logical reason for me to go for  GTi pp ?

No the question is there any logical reason not to get it 

[CHB100]

I am about to order new GTi for March delivery , can’t decide if it’s worth me going for
standard GTi  or GTi pp
Gone way past the days of driving 100% flat out  ( get my pension nxt year 😳)
Current choice is
Tornado red , 5 door , dsg , art velour trim , dynaudio , rear camera , keyless , dynamic lights
I do about 6000 miles per year
Any logical reason for me to go for  GTi pp ?

Friend, I've been in receipt of a state pension for 5 years and recently purchased an R.
And only do similar mileage, the best car and choice I've made.
Why not treat yourself, life's too short. Then I'm still a boy racer and maybe you're more 'mature' In which case always wonder just how good an R Is when you rate the GTI so highly
Think your best choice is a GTI over pp. It will do more than you need.
PS Add the pan roof, it adds another dimension and looks good to 

[Exonian]

The PP diff is very subtle but definitely effective.
The PP brakes are pretty good too.

I specced PP once and I’d do it again.

[Duke Dickson]

Go to dealer A & get a test drive of a standard GTI.

Go to dealer A or B and get a test drive of a PP GTI, making sure you find some decent bends/tight bends/roundabouts while using a more than you might expect amount of throttle.

Make allowances for the ropey std tyres (assuming Bridgestones are still the std fit).

Ignore own age 

Decide if grand or so extra cost is worth it. Job done.


Personally I wouldn't have contemplated a non-PP GTI, but everyone's MMV.

[davyk31]

I’m going standard GTI and do drive fairly briskly at times but really can’t see the need or use for PP but each to their own.

Reading your spec the one thing I would change is the velour trim. It’s hottible to my eyes, the standard cloth or splash out on the luxurious leather would be the options I would consider.

[mcmaddy]

Keep the standard seats as it's not luxurious leather but pleather. PP all the way, it's all the car you'll need and don't bother with the Pano roof it'll only creak.

[Arnold_Lane]

PP will probably be easier to sell on when you finally decide to see out your retirement in a Honda CRV. 

Plus you'll probably get back most of the extra £1K.

[fredgroves]

IMHO PP vs non-PP is something unquantifiable with the available data - much like DCC.

If you choose another colour, you can see the difference, if you choose a panno roof, you can see the difference, etc etc

The PP and DCC are performance enhancing tech, but what do they actually give?

With the PP, you get more power, which is only a little, which offsets the extra weight gained from the diff. You get bigger brakes, but is it offset by the extra weight of the diff and the brakes themselves? What's the stopping distances compared?

I'd really like to see some actual driving performance hard data to make the choice.

Same with DCC, where are the numbers that show it makes any difference? We all know that the dynamic nature of DCC means that different settings make no difference to lap times, but show me the same for non-DCC.

I sometimes feel like PP and DCC are more about bragging rights than actual real world usability.

For 1k you could probably do a much better third party brake upgrade and tuning box, which gives you more than PP.

[scanesare]

IMHO PP vs non-PP is something unquantifiable with the available data - much like DCC.

If you choose another colour, you can see the difference, if you choose a panno roof, you can see the difference, etc etc

The PP and DCC are performance enhancing tech, but what do they actually give?

With the PP, you get more power, which is only a little, which offsets the extra weight gained from the diff. You get bigger brakes, but is it offset by the extra weight of the diff and the brakes themselves? What's the stopping distances compared?

I'd really like to see some actual driving performance hard data to make the choice.

Same with DCC, where are the numbers that show it makes any difference? We all know that the dynamic nature of DCC means that different settings make no difference to lap times, but show me the same for non-DCC.

I sometimes feel like PP and DCC are more about bragging rights than actual real world usability.

For 1k you could probably do a much better third party brake upgrade and tuning box, which gives you more than PP.

Sorry I can't follow what you're saying about unquantifiable items and not being able to see what you get if you spec PP and DCC? A PP car is proven to be faster than a non-PP one (if it is the lap times you are wondering about) but more importantly a far more pleasant experience when driven hard. It only takes a test in both cars to realize the difference. They are both (PP and DCC) very much felt and appreciated and especially the PP is a must imo if you are buying the car with the intention of really "driving" it from time to time. The GTI should come with it as standard.

Having done the switch from a FWD car of 230bhp with just the XDS to the VAQ equipped Clubsport I can attest to the diff's performance and benefits over a car that lacks it. GTI power does not seem that worrying but it is its healthy torque that will prevent you from gripping to the road during hard cornering. The VAQ eliminates any such issues as well as a big part of the horrible understeer that comes standard on powerful FWD's, you can apply throttle much earlier and the car just keeps to its track and accelerates out of the corner without problems, no gimmicks here. The bigger brakes are another bonus, plenty of owners on the other side of the Atlantic that have done the switch and confirm the improved performance over stock ones, on the road and track. It's not that it is a massive big brake kit either to actually have to worry about the extra weight.

DCC could be more subjective as not everybody needs a car to be multi-dimensional but given how well it works I would go for it every time, it's just a matter of being able to enjoy more. I want to have as much a comfortable car as I can when I am cruising, my passengers don't need to be aware (or even care at all) that they are in a performance car but at the same time I can enjoy a  tight, responsive chassis when I want to push without having thoughts about upgrading my suspension and envying more focused cars. Best of both worlds really for a daily car that you also want to enjoy every now and then.


PS. A PP vs non-PP comparison: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=t5jVPZUXOYM    1.6 sec faster in such a short track is a lot and it means the PP upgrades are working pretty well.

PS.2 Also note that the diff has been recently discovered to have an even harder traction setting (accessible via OBD software) and it takes it one level further in terms of how good you can corner - Tested and confirmed on mine as well.