yeah leave it there as you can see by the results of the poll i dont think people give a toss, were all here for 1 reason that being the car that will take over the name of the peoples car 'golf' will out sell beetles(hey not knocking the air cooled brigade cause ive been there and done that) along with the mk5 the golf will be the peoples car and the phrase GTI is why were here, we know roughly all the book figures etc and we dont need some garlic munghing bagette driver tellin us the is and out of torque, all we like to do is discuss them, tune em, polish and drive em thank you enough said mr frenchy sounding name man!