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Offline GTD1414

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Re: Dilemma
« Reply #10 on: 02 December 2016, 08:24 »
Sounds to me like you really want to go for the Golf GTI (drivers car) but want the Merc as a status symbol/badge with a gutless engine.

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Re: Dilemma
« Reply #11 on: 02 December 2016, 10:45 »
I also specced a diesel Jag xe r 180 manual for the same price. Options though are expensive and I can't get Arthur Daly or the Sweeny out of my head.

I really like the look of the XE, so when you mentioned it I finally got around to playing with the configurator.

I've got a fantastic looking and spec'ed car config'ed up but f*** me its £44K!

I could get a far better beamer than the Jag for that money.
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Re: Dilemma
« Reply #12 on: 02 December 2016, 22:12 »
The question I'd be asking myself would be whether I wanted to spend another two or three years looking at an identical exterior and interior.

The GTD is the only car of the three that will provide any sense of driving fun in real world conditions.

The Merc (and a Jag) would be more acceptable if you mix in certain social circles or like to show off in traffic jams! And that's where their purose begins and ends.

It all depends on how you drive really. If you like a slug of torque booting you up the road and a very accomplished FWD chassis then the GTD is where it's at.
If you pootle around then any car is as good as any other.

Then again, have order books closed on GTD's yet?
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Re: Dilemma
« Reply #13 on: 04 December 2016, 20:42 »
What's the NHS doing leasing GTDs, I thought they were short of money?
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Offline AndyG

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Re: Dilemma
« Reply #14 on: 04 December 2016, 21:33 »
It's not the NHS providing company leased cars,its a salary sacrifice scheme.I work for the NHS and could choose to lease a car this way but ultimately it's the employee who pays for it,not the employer.
The money for the lease is taken out at source before the taxman taxes your pay so it is tax efficient as no tax is paid on the lease.All you need to do is put fuel in,the lease company insures,taxes and maintains the car.Different lease companies offer this to large organisations including the NHS.A few of my mates at work use this scheme,it never really appealed to me.
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Re: Dilemma
« Reply #15 on: 04 December 2016, 22:13 »
Basically the profit the NHS makes is supposed to go into patient care.
Anyway when I specced the GTD 2 1/2 years ago it was nearly £50.00 cheaper. I wouldn't have such a dilemma if through inflation it was a tenner or so more expensive, but it's nearer enough Mercedes c class coupe, Jaguar XE and BMW 4-Series SE auto.
I love the GTD but how has it got so expensive. However I did configure a Mini Clubman SD chilli pack. Sunroof, privacy glass and driver assistance etc. For the monthly price quoted I could get a BMW Auto M petrol coupe. Ridiculous!

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Re: Dilemma
« Reply #16 on: 04 December 2016, 22:43 »
Lease prices are based on expected residuals taking into account the discounts the leasing companies get off the car's list price.
Hence the typical sleep type saloon cars are quite competitive to lease as the manufacturers good them out at massively discounted prices.
That's why some expensive sounding cars are around the same price or even less than more mundane cars.
Leasing is primarilarly (sp?) aimed at company car schemes where companies will want their junior execs turning up with cars that make them look successful and acceptable to their corporate bore compatriots and clients.

My company does a similar salary sacrifice scheme through Zenith and it's just under £400 a month for a bare bones GTD, fully insured, maintained etc. 
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Re: Dilemma
« Reply #17 on: 04 December 2016, 23:00 »
The changes in tax and Ni will effectively end salary sacrifice schemes unless you have the choice to pay for it nett salary wise.
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Re: Dilemma
« Reply #18 on: 04 December 2016, 23:06 »
The changes in tax and Ni will effectively end salary sacrifice schemes unless you have the choice to pay for it nett salary wise.
Yes, the govt is gunning for these schemes.
My workplace also do one where you can get mobile phones, iPads, laptops etc too.

They're on borrowed time!
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Re: Dilemma
« Reply #19 on: 05 December 2016, 00:30 »
I asked about the latest gov financial statement. I was told it was a few pounds due to my wage and tax benefit in kind??? And it would not effect the price of cars.
Also I looked how the cars are classed. They are apparently "crown" cars. I have no idea what all this means and hybrid cars are favourable but there was little in prices.
This for the NHS is very lucrative such as patients and staff paying for car parking spaces I can't see it ending. I pay around £15.00 a month (salary sacrifice) for the pleasure! to park at work.
Two years ago they had VW Golf R's for £399 basic and I would have jumped at the chance.