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Offline monkeyhanger

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Re: 2014 PP GTI, good price?
« Reply #20 on: 22 November 2016, 20:37 »
It's a lot of food for thought, I'm still trying to get my head around buying new. I was raised never to buy new cars and that seed seems to be planted quite deeply.

For example there is a PP 5 door manual in white, registered July 2016 for 25k. It has nav pro, park assist, rear view camera, dynaudio and Santiago alloys. That, to me, is a good buy?

(Oh and 4000 miles on the clock) :)

That being a "good price" depends very much on how much you value the extras. They add very little to the p/x price when you get rid.

Santiago alloys? A matter of taste, I personally find them a bit fussy, especially when you see the black spokes.

Dynaudio? Will you notice the difference when you're prodding the loud pedal and playing MP3s?

Rear View camera? Quite easy to do without as you have the sensors, and if you really want it, it is a cheap option on a new car.

Park Assist? For me a novelty item you'll use twice to impress your mates, the Golf is very easy to park - do you park on a street where you have to parallel park into a gap only 3ft longer than your car? If so, another cheap option on a new car.

Nav Pro - do you use the nav much? Would you pay £1300 for it on a new car to get a bigger screen and a bit better functionality?

It's about £340 (broker price) for the Park Pack that includes the camera and park assist. You've already stated an interest in white -a free colour, so going white and the park pack is almost paid for with the broker cost I quoted for Tornado red added in.

How long are you looking to keep the car? With the one you proposed, you've lost 5 months warranty - not a lot lost, but access to cheap service packs and cheaper APR % if you're reliant on VW finance is gone.

PP - probably the most value for money extra.

Not buying new makes perfect sense when buying many cars such as Focus (not RS), Astra, Megane etc that can be had for sometimes as little as half RRP at 2 years old, but for the prices used VWs are sold for at franchised dealers then it's usually not so cut and dry.

Take a 5dr PP in White, with parking pack (Park assist and camera) and Dynaudio through drivethedeal and it comes in at £24629. So you buy new and you lose the Nav Pro and half the cost of the 19" Santiagos vs the used one you have seen.

Would you rather have the extras or that new car smell, 5 months more warranty and access to cheap servicing for 2-5 years, as well as the option of buying a comprehensive 2 year extension to the 3 year warranty if you plan on keeping the car a long time?

For me, that used one isn't cheap enough next to the new one for the extra toys it gives. You will have to wait for the new one to be built of course!

You were talking about £21k cars a few days ago and now are up to £25k in your considerations - easily done!
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Re: 2014 PP GTI, good price?
« Reply #21 on: 22 November 2016, 21:04 »
It's a lot of food for thought, I'm still trying to get my head around buying new. I was raised never to buy new cars and that seed seems to be planted quite deeply.

For example there is a PP 5 door manual in white, registered July 2016 for 25k. It has nav pro, park assist, rear view camera, dynaudio and Santiago alloys. That, to me, is a good buy?

(Oh and 4000 miles on the clock) :)

That being a "good price" depends very much on how much you value the extras. They add very little to the p/x price when you get rid.

Santiago alloys? A matter of taste, I personally find them a bit fussy, especially when you see the black spokes.

Dynaudio? Will you notice the difference when you're prodding the loud pedal and playing MP3s?

Rear View camera? Quite easy to do without as you have the sensors, and if you really want it, it is a cheap option on a new car.

Park Assist? For me a novelty item you'll use twice to impress your mates, the Golf is very easy to park - do you park on a street where you have to parallel park into a gap only 3ft longer than your car? If so, another cheap option on a new car.

Nav Pro - do you use the nav much? Would you pay £1300 for it on a new car to get a bigger screen and a bit better functionality?

It's about £340 (broker price) for the Park Pack that includes the camera and park assist. You've already stated an interest in white -a free colour, so going white and the park pack is almost paid for with the broker cost I quoted for Tornado red added in.

How long are you looking to keep the car? With the one you proposed, you've lost 5 months warranty - not a lot lost, but access to cheap service packs and cheaper APR % if you're reliant on VW finance is gone.

PP - probably the most value for money extra.

Not buying new makes perfect sense when buying many cars such as Focus (not RS), Astra, Megane etc that can be had for sometimes as little as half RRP at 2 years old, but for the prices used VWs are sold for at franchised dealers then it's usually not so cut and dry.

Take a 5dr PP in White, with parking pack (Park assist and camera) and Dynaudio through drivethedeal and it comes in at £24629. So you buy new and you lose the Nav Pro and half the cost of the 19" Santiagos vs the used one you have seen.

Would you rather have the extras or that new car smell, 5 months more warranty and access to cheap servicing for 2-5 years, as well as the option of buying a comprehensive 2 year extension to the 3 year warranty if you plan on keeping the car a long time?

For me, that used one isn't cheap enough next to the new one for the extra toys it gives. You will have to wait for the new one to be built of course!

You were talking about £21k cars a few days ago and now are up to £25k in your considerations - easily done!

Dam, you're good. You got me thinking now about dyaudio and the parking pack. I only went for the auto park as I was getting the rear camera because I'm used to driving a Rocco and you kind of have to reverse by sound alone, aka keep going until you hear the bang.

I might just drop the parking pack and maybe keep the rear camera.

I'm the same as you about the wheels, I think the nicest VW wheels are the 19" laganos. I will go for 19" wheels but probably BBS

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Re: 2014 PP GTI, good price?
« Reply #22 on: 22 November 2016, 21:15 »
You may as well keep the parking pack if you're keeping the rear camera on its own and it works out really expensive if you drop nav pro but want to keep dynaudio. It's cheaper again to get both in the tech park.
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Re: 2014 PP GTI, good price?
« Reply #23 on: 22 November 2016, 21:33 »
You may as well keep the parking pack if you're keeping the rear camera on its own and it works out really expensive if you drop nav pro but want to keep dynaudio. It's cheaper again to get both in the tech park.

Good call on the tech pack Chris - why is DNS Pro + Dynaudio in the tech pack £30 cheaper than the Nav Pro on its own?

So for about £25200 (Broker price) Marshall Mike could have DNS Pro and Dynaudio (courtesy of the tech pack), and the parking pack on a brand new white 5dr PP, vs saving £200 on a 5 month old model and gaining Santiagos.

Makes even more sense to go new.
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Re: 2014 PP GTI, good price?
« Reply #24 on: 22 November 2016, 23:09 »
It's a lot of food for thought, I'm still trying to get my head around buying new. I was raised never to buy new cars and that seed seems to be planted quite deeply.

For example there is a PP 5 door manual in white, registered July 2016 for 25k. It has nav pro, park assist, rear view camera, dynaudio and Santiago alloys. That, to me, is a good buy?

(Oh and 4000 miles on the clock) :)

That being a "good price" depends very much on how much you value the extras. They add very little to the p/x price when you get rid.

Santiago alloys? A matter of taste, I personally find them a bit fussy, especially when you see the black spokes.

Dynaudio? Will you notice the difference when you're prodding the loud pedal and playing MP3s?

Rear View camera? Quite easy to do without as you have the sensors, and if you really want it, it is a cheap option on a new car.

Park Assist? For me a novelty item you'll use twice to impress your mates, the Golf is very easy to park - do you park on a street where you have to parallel park into a gap only 3ft longer than your car? If so, another cheap option on a new car.

Nav Pro - do you use the nav much? Would you pay £1300 for it on a new car to get a bigger screen and a bit better functionality?

It's about £340 (broker price) for the Park Pack that includes the camera and park assist. You've already stated an interest in white -a free colour, so going white and the park pack is almost paid for with the broker cost I quoted for Tornado red added in.

How long are you looking to keep the car? With the one you proposed, you've lost 5 months warranty - not a lot lost, but access to cheap service packs and cheaper APR % if you're reliant on VW finance is gone.

PP - probably the most value for money extra.

Not buying new makes perfect sense when buying many cars such as Focus (not RS), Astra, Megane etc that can be had for sometimes as little as half RRP at 2 years old, but for the prices used VWs are sold for at franchised dealers then it's usually not so cut and dry.

Take a 5dr PP in White, with parking pack (Park assist and camera) and Dynaudio through drivethedeal and it comes in at £24629. So you buy new and you lose the Nav Pro and half the cost of the 19" Santiagos vs the used one you have seen.

Would you rather have the extras or that new car smell, 5 months more warranty and access to cheap servicing for 2-5 years, as well as the option of buying a comprehensive 2 year extension to the 3 year warranty if you plan on keeping the car a long time?

For me, that used one isn't cheap enough next to the new one for the extra toys it gives. You will have to wait for the new one to be built of course!

You were talking about £21k cars a few days ago and now are up to £25k in your considerations - easily done!

I would probably keep the car for five years, basically the length of the bank loan. Possibly longer if I'm still in love with it. Although the car I asked about in my first post was 21k, my budget is 24k, and I don't mind saving a bit more to boost that budget.

On the subject of the extras, I appreciate what you are saying about Dynaudio, however I play music back via my iPhone so it's ALAC and not MP3 files that I listen to. My main hobby is home cinema and hi-fi and sound quality is somewhat important to me. I had read that people who have Dynaudio in their cars were very pleased with it?

The park assist I agree I don't need, it sounds gimmicky although might save the alloys if the wife has to park it!  :grin: I have a rear view camera in my current car and it is handy, it's something I would like to continue to have if possible. Can you have it with the standard size screen?

Speaking of alloys, I like both the Austins and the Santiagos and don't really mind which set the car has, though I am drawn to the 19" Santiagos more recently.

Colour wise I like white and the carbon grey. My Accord is grey though so I fancy a change.

And the nav pro, no I don't use nav that much but most of the cars I've been looking at with Dynaudio already have it. I know it's a bigger screen but I'm not sure what the other features and benefits are. And are you saying the parking pack is part of the tech pack? The VW site doesn't make it very clear.

So I think I'm on the market for a white 5 door manual with PP, Dynaudio and rear view camera. Oh and tinted windows, looks awesome  :cool:

I tried CARWOW btw, but the site doesn't allow you to put in the extras. A white PP car was 24k, £5,500 cheaper than list price. Might try DTD next. Then try to explain to the wife.

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Re: 2014 PP GTI, good price?
« Reply #25 on: 23 November 2016, 00:23 »
I have read the the park assist can be a problem...you pass a gap one of the cars is parked with wheels on the pavement and park assist will park you in line with both so you can have park assist Taking you into a curb.
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Re: 2014 PP GTI, good price?
« Reply #26 on: 23 November 2016, 06:27 »
That's not a problem with park assist that's the idiots fault who parked on the kerb. You can't just use the park assist without checking the conditions first yourself ie other cars on kerbs. It's an excellent system if used correctly which can get you out of spaces too.
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Re: 2014 PP GTI, good price?
« Reply #27 on: 23 November 2016, 07:32 »
Marshall Mike: The tech pack is the Nav Pro and Dynaudio combined. It is cheaper yhan the Nav Pro on it's own. If you buy the pack it's like buying the Nav Pro and getting the Dynaudio for free. The parking pack is the rear camera and park assist combined, for about 2/3 of the price of the 2 units individually. If you're keeping 5 years then the 5 year warranty might be a sound investment - VWs aren't sold on their reliability these days!

Still not sold on Park assist, had it on a courtesy Golf R-Line last year and it aborted the parking operation 2 out of 3 attempts (I suspect that I was too close to the car I was passing when it measured the gap). Gimmicky crap for the School mums who can't park.
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Re: 2014 PP GTI, good price?
« Reply #28 on: 23 November 2016, 13:23 »

......So bearing in mind I'm after a 5 door manual with PP and the tech pack with Dynaudio, do you think it's possible to get that new within my budget?



Have a look and you'll see if it is possible!!

http://drivethedeal.com/buy-a-new-car/VOLKSWAGEN/GOLF%20HATCHBACK/index.html
HIS: R 5dr DSG Lapiz: Tech Pack: Keyless: 90% Tints: Pretorias: Rear View Camera
HERS:  GTI 5dr Manual DBP: Parking Pack: Car-Net App: 90% Privacy Glass. Ordered 05-12-15. Delivered 03-03-16
DONATED TO SON:  GTD 5dr Manual White: Nav Pro: Dynaudio: Winter Pack: Sport & Sound Pack: Rear View Camera: Park Assist. Ordered 19-02-14. Delivered: 07-06-14

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Re: 2014 PP GTI, good price?
« Reply #29 on: 23 November 2016, 13:57 »
It's not for everyone, but have you considered leasing at all?

Got a cracking deal on a GTI recently, which is on its way..  :nerd:
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