GTI Clubsport S - Opinions & Feedback

[GT4]

Hi Everyone

I am new to the forum and have an allocation for a Clubsport S and was given "Black" as my pre-determined colour ..!

I was hoping to get some feedback and opinions on the Limited run car with regard to its speed, i currently have a Porsche GT4 as my garage queen and the S will replace a Merc C class daily. I am using my GT4 too frequently and wanted something that would work well as a daily but also give me some thrills on a B road blast instead of the GT4 - I am nervous that the CS is a slow car, obviously in comparison with the GT4 but more importantly its relative £34k Competition such as a Focus RS, BMW 235i, M3, A45 AMG etc etc .... But most of all i want to know your opinions on its "future value" and "collectability" as you understand the GTi Community allot better than myself ... and don't want to lose my shirt and am seriously thinking of bailing out on the Clubsport S purchase, but don't want to make a schoolboy error of judgement ..!!!!!

Many thanks in anticipation of your response ...

Andrew

[fredgroves]

If you can afford to buy and run a M3, I'd buy that!

Totally different car and I'm fairly sure its not £34k last time I looked.

Fast as fek though but with nothing "track" about it - its a super fast luxury car usually occupied by fat old men in suits.

The only people I'd see being in the market for a CS-S are Golf nuts really (there are quite a few on this forum), for everybody else its just a slightly faster GTI with less creature comforts.

Have you thought about an R instead? Or if you wanted something that looked more sporty (but still tasteful unlike a Focus RS) maybe the Audi RS3?

Still not £34k though.

You can always find something better if you spend more money I guess, but you already have a porker.

[vipergts]

Thats rude Fred....My woman has the new M3 

To The OP, it doesn't seem like the reason to buy or not to buy if you're worried about resale tbh. You should buy because you have the passion for it

Having said that, I cannot imagine these losing much at all and long term it'll go up in value

With regards to speed, the Nurburgring figure is a good benchmark but I'd say at this level it's down to driver ability

[GL33chy]

Hi

Also from teesside and in exactly the same boat! (Apart from the GT4 part! Haha). Have a vx220 as a daily currently and want to make that my 2nd car.

Spoke to lookers Boro last week and they said they are getting a regular clubsport in as a demo at some point. So hopefully it'll come in soon so I can get a rough idea. Main thing I want to check is Wether I fit in with a lid on.

From the video reviews I've seen, it looks as though b-roads will suit it best.

Test drover a 235 and the engine is excellent but its too common for my liking.

Jonny

[scanesare]

Based on the fact that you drive a GT4 I would assume you appreciate and prioritize a good chassis and crisp handling over straight line performance or drag racing and both the more practical CS and the more focused CS-S offer this. Otherwise you'd be in something stupidly powerful, German, AWD car (plenty of which to choose)

There's two factors here: performance and cost/future value.

Performance wise and by that I don't mean drag-races or flooring it on the wet but real fast driving through all sorts of corners, the CS-S is already proven *with official times* to be faster than all the cars you mention, BMW 235i, M2, M3*, A45 and just as fast (if not faster) as an M4 (M4 Nurburgring time: 7:52, CS-S: 7:49...) On the latest EVO test it's also faster than the Civic Type-R and guess what, the Focus RS. At this point I'm kind of confused as to what lack of performance you are worried about.
Still, it may be worth noting that there's a considerable amount of extra bhp and torque that is very safely squeezed out of the CS/CS-S/R engines with mere piggyback boxes (no warranty worries) and then I'm pretty sure that with that excellent chassis on offer, you are practically looking at a Porsche killer.

The question about future value and collectability is more complicated and to an extent only speculation can be done. If the CS-S then doesn't become a collector's item (for one reason or another), then it is safe to say that the standard CS would be more highly sought after as it's a full daily hot-hatch, with all the special looks and bits (bespoke aggressive styling, bucket seats, alcantara trim), a 95% similar chassis (uprated springs and dampers, steering rack etc.) yet all the Golf luxuries still in place.


Honestly, given the GT4 is there, it doesn't make much sense to have another very similar (meaning non-practical unless you never have/want to carry passengers), track-focused car as your daily. Buying it with an expectation of making money out of it is of-course a very different topic but I doubt anyone could guarantee you that.

[matchboy]

If you're buying it for a daily drive, there's loads of better cars out there for your money.  The GTI Clubsport S is a track car IMO, it doesn't even come with an armrest, so as a daily drive I wouldn't buy one.  Plus it's not even that quick.  If I were you I'd get an R, then you've got everything you'd ever need as a daily drive.

If you were just buying it to use at the weekend, then that would be different.

It certainly will hold its value better than all the other Golfs on the market as its a limited edition.

[scanesare]

Plus it's not even that quick. 

 

You do realize that it's faster than every single car in your signature right? 

Unless that Walter Rohrl behind the 981 Cayman S is some amateur...

http://fastestlaps.com/tracks/nordschleife

[clubsport]

I would say the CS-S is basically a GT4 for someone who doesn't have £90k for a weekend toy and wants a new, rare track car with warranty. (The premise, I know one is mid engine/Rwd etc.......)

As a daily driver it would be a pain, I have GTi PP as a daily and a "real" Clubsport Porsche for weekends and occasional trackdays... The cars compliment each other rather than replicate.

[GT4]

Hi Everyone.

Many thanks for your feedback, keep it coming ....

The Golf R would be logical but was too common place on our roads for me! The A45 AMG is better anyway?!

I like the idea of limited builds and the value they bring to ownership. I have had S54 Z3 M Coupe, M3 CSL, 1M, Carrera GTS and now GT4 so its become somewhat of a hobby making money out of Ownership ...

I can't believe that anyone would pay upwards of £35k for a Golf but then again thats not my market, hence the thread and your input. I only live 2 miles from work so could live with the CS as a daily and in truth would probably keep the Merc anyway to leave in car parks etc ...

I was fascinated to learn of the Clubsport S speed and will track down an EVO magazine, it sounds very much like a 1M form of ownership but without the M badge

£35k for a VW scares me but please don't take my words disrespectufully ... I had a Golf for 10 years and found it ok, but just ok ... but it was a Mark4 GTi - great build quality, almost Porsche like ...

Question is do you think the CS will become a VW legend, like the 1M to BMW or will it just be another Gti that is badged slightly differently ...??

Many thanks
Andrew

[The ANT]

I think it will become a bit like the g60 and g60 limited