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Offline GrahamFR

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Re: GTI Clubsport Launched - 2016
« Reply #40 on: 10 September 2015, 09:17 »
I know it's not a major consideration, but any ideas why the fuel consumption is so rubbish?  34 mpg makes the R with 40 mpg look positively frugal.  34 mpg = 25-28 in the real world.  These figures look like the previous EA113 motor.

http://www.autoblog.com/2015/09/09/vw-gti-clubsport-frankfurt-official/

given that its a press release to a .com site i am assuming those are american incorrect gallons and not imperial ones
As Graham says ^^^^^

This (as with previous anniversary models) is a Leon Cupra engine, so look at the emissions and economy stats for that engine.
Leon Cupras tend to have detuned R engines (allegedly detuned at least, I've seen graphs that suggest otherwise).
It's easy for VW to drop an already type approved engine into an identical chassis from another marque under the group umbrella and have been doing so for decades. The original GTI having an Audi 80 GTE engine with slightly different ancilliary bits to fit a transverse chassis for example.
Note the air intakes on the GTI CS in more or less the same place as the R and no fogs just like the R because of this, which is mirrored in the Cupra.

As Dave says, the radar is missing from the CS just like on the launch GTIs as its a worldwide unveiling and the ACC isn't standard in all markets. The radar will make the front end look even more busy so it's omitted from press launch shots. No doubt it will be standard in the UK as per the rest of the range.

It's quite likely the bucket seats will be pretty much the same seats as the optional ones on the Leon Cupra too, just with different fabric obviously.

Unlike the edition 30 and 35 at least the CS will have the Cupra's brakes too (same as PP, 7R, S3 etc).

Off topic but I still cant believe that the ed30/35 doesn't have the cupra brakes, shocking tbh given the extra weight of the dsg most of them had.

Annnnnyyyway, whose gonna be the first to start stockpiling ED40 badges to make a profit to eager members in the coming year?  :grin:
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Re: GTI Clubsport Launched - 2016
« Reply #41 on: 10 September 2015, 09:22 »
Shame as they really had a chance to produce a lighter "Sub 8" style car with light rims and a little weight saving to justify the CS badge but didn't manage pull it off.

Does it justify a Club Sport Badge? Or would it be better not pretending and just putting Anniversary XX on it?

I think this is my issue with it. On the one hand the car looks stunning, it's a proper model variant rather than just sticking a 40 badge on the side. On the other, why 'clubsport' - let us have carbon bonnet, lighter interior parts, light wheels, no back seats, 3 door only, optional track pack etc.

I still want one though  :grin:
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Re: GTI Clubsport Launched - 2016
« Reply #42 on: 10 September 2015, 09:23 »
I quite like it, especially the seats and like the Clubsport decal on the side but that will probably look better on some colours than others. I  even like the spoiler, but hate those wheels.   It's got much more about it than the standard GTI.  Agree with Mr Ex about the front bumper looking a bit weird, as it's sort of the other way to a standard GTI, but it does add some additional intent to the front. 

Hope not too much is lost when it comes to the production model.  Look forward to seeing wigit's pics from Frankfurt.

Unsurprisingly a very similar thread  on vwroc today has met with apathetic and dismissive response.  :grin:
If you look at the front bumper of the latest Polo GTI it has the same sort of lines to the CS (going the opposite way to the Golf GTI).
I think VW are gradually easing a new corporate face in for the GTI with slight changes on each facelift.
The MK6 moved slightly away from the Beetle nose of the mk5 but kept the U shape lower grille and the mk7 followed a similar pattern moving it even more to a flatter wider face like the (uglier) new Passat. My guess is the mk8 GTI will have a nose along the same lines at the CS & Polo GTI (and R for that matter) with more of an X than a U.
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Re: GTI Clubsport Launched - 2016
« Reply #43 on: 10 September 2015, 09:28 »
Shame as they really had a chance to produce a lighter "Sub 8" style car with light rims and a little weight saving to justify the CS badge but didn't manage pull it off.

Does it justify a Club Sport Badge? Or would it be better not pretending and just putting Anniversary XX on it?

I think this is my issue with it. On the one hand the car looks stunning, it's a proper model variant rather than just sticking a 40 badge on the side. On the other, why 'clubsport' - let us have carbon bonnet, lighter interior parts, light wheels, no back seats, 3 door only, optional track pack etc.

I still want one though  :grin:

VW hinted for years about bringing out a lightweight GTI with carbon panels, and made a big thing about how the MQB platform would make it easier to incorporate stuff like that into production.

When you look at the black roof on the CS I think it's a nod to the car the engineers wanted to make but the accountants wouldn't allow.
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Re: GTI Clubsport Launched - 2016
« Reply #44 on: 10 September 2015, 09:50 »
I'm pretty sure the bucket seats are the same as the ones I saw on the R400 - so not completely exclusive (if indeed it gets made).

I think the wheels on the press release version look awesome - similar to the Santiagos, which IMO are still the best alloy on any Mk 7.  Looks wrong with the Prets, but then I think they're horrid alloys anyway so I'm biased, not special enough.

The red however....  :tongue:
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Re: GTI Clubsport Launched - 2016
« Reply #45 on: 10 September 2015, 10:56 »
Yeah the seats are a variant on the optional Recaro's that have been around Audi/VW for years now :cool:
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Re: GTI Clubsport Launched - 2016
« Reply #46 on: 11 September 2015, 08:17 »
I am very interesting in this and the Golf R400, in need of a 5 door model to replace my 3 door GTI PP.
It looks to be a good middle-ground model between the GTI PP and Golf R.
Hopefully the Golf R400 will also be unveiled at Frankfurt to help me decide.
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Re: GTI Clubsport Launched - 2016
« Reply #47 on: 11 September 2015, 08:28 »
Put that front end on the R and it really would look like an R should look like from back to front ..

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Re: GTI Clubsport Launched - 2016
« Reply #48 on: 11 September 2015, 08:53 »
Put that front end on the R and it really would look like an R should look like from back to front ..
Agreed, with the GTI Clubsport looking as good as it does, is there actually room for a Golf R400, what can they do to the R400 body styling to top the Clubsport.
I am beginning to wonder if it has been delayed or cancelled completed with Volkswagen settling on the Clubsport for 2016. :(
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Re: GTI Clubsport Launched - 2016
« Reply #49 on: 11 September 2015, 08:54 »
Put that front end on the R and it really would look like an R should look like from back to front ..

Im sure lots of places will be peddling that bit of kit aftermarketly soon, ive even found one for a mk6 if you can believe it lol

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