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Offline fredgroves

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Re: GTI with Performance pack.
« Reply #20 on: 18 August 2015, 09:08 »
Interesting graph Graham!

Is the stock map with the car in "sport" mode?

I'd be interested in seeing "normal" vs "sport" vs "pedal box" throttle mappings.
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Re: GTI with Performance pack.
« Reply #21 on: 18 August 2015, 09:14 »
Interesting graph Graham!

Is the stock map with the car in "sport" mode?

I'd be interested in seeing "normal" vs "sport" vs "pedal box" throttle mappings.

Another graph from DTUK which shows more information about the Pedalbox.



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Re: GTI with Performance pack.
« Reply #22 on: 18 August 2015, 09:35 »
How does the fuel economy compare with the Pedal box?  I think my APR map is actually around the same if not better.  Although I drive normally most of the time so perhaps that explains it!

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Re: GTI with Performance pack.
« Reply #23 on: 18 August 2015, 10:33 »
How does the fuel economy compare with the Pedal box?  I think my APR map is actually around the same if not better.  Although I drive normally most of the time so perhaps that explains it!

The pedal box doesn't actually change anything about the way the car runs, just the way your right foot behaves. So, it doesn't change the fuel economy of the car but chances are you'll be accelerating hard more frequently (because the box makes it easy to do so) and that will obviously have an impact on the fuel you use.

I like it. It's hard to explain why but it just makes the car more fun.

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Re: GTI with Performance pack.
« Reply #24 on: 18 August 2015, 11:19 »
I'm another pedalbox devotee and it's the first thing I did to my car.
If all you've ever driven is fly by wire modern cars you'll maybe not quite see the benefit but if you've ever driven a car with mechanical fuel injection or a carburettor then you'll really appreciate one.
It just takes the dead travel out of the throttle and makes it much quicker to smoothly spool the turbo for times when you want six tenths or seven tenths performance or maybe less. Obviously mashing the pedal to the floor is just that when you want full bore acceleration but in all other respects the box just makes the car more lively and sporty to drive without going Banzai with the pedal.
It's pretty adjustable too and I notice the R is best run at a lower setting than my GTI.

Easy to fit but I can confirm they're a pig to remove having swapped mine from car to car a couple times.
For routine dealer visits you can just switch them off.

I had a sprint booster in my two MK6 GTIs and have to say the pedal box is much more adjustable as the former (on my model at least) only had two settings where as the DTUK/DTE offering has many settings which is really handy.
On a torquey car like ours it's nice addition and wakes the car up no end when you don't want full throttle application. It just brings the car alive.


Another suggestion to the OP that's cheap, simple and effective is adding spacers to the standard wheels.
It brings the wheels out more flush with the arches and squares the car up making it look more muscular.

I had a bit of experience with a tuning box on a mk7 GTI too. It makes the car quicker than a standard R in the dry but doesn't have the kick in the back a remap does. However that might be a good thing as its very progressive in its delivery like a factory map (which it just amplifies) it should be far more clutch and drivetrain friendly than an aggressive remap.
Having seen a few on here that have demolished expensive bits of car after a few aggressive launches with remaps I've shied away from modifying my own ECU which is a BIG change for me who having mapped around a dozen of my own cars in the past.
I'm just doubtful the standard hardware on a mk7 can handle the huge torque increases like earlier GTIs seemed to cope with. Not that I really thrashed my mapped cars, more so for me was the much needed mid range torque increases that earlier turbo GTIs lacked where the MK7 has ample torque from low revs (which becomes a fair bit more accessible with a pedal box added for snappy overtakes).

I also agree with Graham about getting your mirrors wrapped or painted black if you have a lighter coloured GTI. I've seen James75's GTD in the flesh a good few times and the contrasting mirrors look great.
Like spacers and a pedal box it's a cheap and effective mod.
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Re: GTI with Performance pack.
« Reply #25 on: 18 August 2015, 12:22 »
Sorry I didnt reply....but others have covered the pedal box subject very well. You can in fact turn the pedal box up to much and loose the throttle "resolution" making the throttle abit on/off.....but after a few drives and playing around with the settings you will find a good setting for yourself.

I found the very smooth way the DTUK tuning box adds power seems to benefit the upper RPM range and the pedal box sorts out the lower RPM range....so after a few tweeks on the pedal box you end up with a great performance increase throughout the RPM range.

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Re: GTI with Performance pack.
« Reply #26 on: 18 August 2015, 13:57 »
I'm enjoying reading this thread as am interested in a pedal & tuning box.

Question: Is anyone running a pedal box on a dsg car? If so, how does it work in auto mode? Just thinking that as you open the throttle rapidly, the car automatically changes down. I can see how the pedal maps would work on a manual car or in manual mode on the dsg, but not how they'd work in auto mode?
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Re: GTI with Performance pack.
« Reply #27 on: 19 August 2015, 04:53 »
It will still work fine in auto mode John. It'll just make it more responsive.
Think of it as like an amplified version of Sport mode in the 'engine' (throttle) setting without having to resort to putting the gearbox in Sport mode.

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Re: GTI with Performance pack.
« Reply #28 on: 19 August 2015, 07:03 »
But my complaint previously was, does the pedal not feel dead 3/4 and upwards?
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Re: GTI with Performance pack.
« Reply #29 on: 19 August 2015, 07:32 »
But my complaint previously was, does the pedal not feel dead 3/4 and upwards?

Looking at that DTUK graph, surely it has to?

I wonder what the curve looks like for OEM "sport mode"?
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