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Re: Nav standard in BW22 GTD, GTI & R - Yes or No
« Reply #10 on: 01 June 2015, 11:02 »
@Sootchucker - bet you wished you'd never asked  :grin:

It is utterly confusing and I take the VW website and it's many descriptions of Carnet with a massive pinch of salt.  The words Volkswagen and confusing are interchangeable!

Question is, as I will be getting MIB II, is it worth speccing CarNet app?
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Re: Nav standard in BW22 GTD, GTI & R - Yes or No
« Reply #11 on: 01 June 2015, 11:11 »
Question is, as I will be getting MIB II, is it worth speccing CarNet app?

I would think the added functionality will be well worth the £100, but as it sounds like just a software change to the MIB II system it would be annoying to spend £100 and find you could switch it on yourself later.  Although, it would be annoying not to spec it and then find out you couldn't activate it later.  Bloody Volkswagen should just switch it on as standard and save confusion.

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Re: Nav standard in BW22 GTD, GTI & R - Yes or No
« Reply #12 on: 01 June 2015, 11:18 »
I'm utterly confused.


Shame nobody can actually tell you quite what you need to buy or even what its exact function will be.... kind of frustrating when you are talking about some sophisticated tech now, not just electric windows or a tow hitch.

That's just it Fred, I think there is so much going on behind the scenes between VWUK and Wolfsburg that possibly there's not much information coming through, and you're dealing with managers that are more used to electric windows and tow hitches that are now having to get to grips with 21st Century technology 'in-cab' and market it along with all the support. I'd imagine it was an expensive upgrade at VWUK level when looking at the telecoms side.
Maybe a change at the top of VW isn't helping matters either, a new leader will have his own business model and we've been riding a bit of a crest of a wave with VW models recently so we just have to hope we don't have a move 'forward' like we did when the mk3 Golf generation hit the ground with all its 'improvements' which just translated into cost cutting.



Somewhere lost in Mademoiselle Booth's huge thread, I contacted our resident forum sales guru evo1986 and he told me exactly what the dealerships know which was pretty non specific but there was no mention of standard nav on the GTI/D and we will basically have to wait until either the dealerships get a new bulletin (now we've just had the last quarter end before the reg change quarter) or someone gets full confirmation of a post BW22 car.
I'm still guessing that the bigger price rise of the GTI/D and Tech Pack price anomalies around the R means that the GTI/D will get standard Nav unless someone at VW has panicked and pulled the plug on that due to unseen issues (cost?) which means we should see a revised pricing structure again or maybe a sales promotion of some kind? But that is literally a guess, it's just "wait and see" right now.

I took quite a keen interest in it as I'd been hedging my bets around the Edition 40 next year and was half tempted to gamble on a late April order this year before the two end of April rises bearing in mind the long build wait, hoping to get a 2016 spec car at early 2015 prices if the ED 40 didn't float my boat. I was offered an 11% discount on an R with a half decent trade in price too with a fully refundable deposit (as they said they'd happily order the car into stock due to the popularity of the model if I changed my mind).
In the eventuality of it all the ED40 really didn't float my boat in ClubSport guise, and the R offer wasn't taken up but I'll update on all that at some point.
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Re: Nav standard in BW22 GTD, GTI & R - Yes or No
« Reply #13 on: 01 June 2015, 11:25 »
Question is, as I will be getting MIB II, is it worth speccing CarNet app?

I would think the added functionality will be well worth the £100, but as it sounds like just a software change to the MIB II system it would be annoying to spend £100 and find you could switch it on yourself later.  Although, it would be annoying not to spec it and then find out you couldn't activate it later.  Bloody Volkswagen should just switch it on as standard and save confusion.

I think the only way around that is to spec it as it's "only" £100 which is small fry in the bigger picture of the entire price of the car, and it might become something that buyers would want at resale time if it ends up quite a useful tool as it gets developed and expanded - or with the ever increasing advance of tech it might end up a lame duck and soon outmoded like our MIB 1 units which are obsolete after 2 years. At £100 over the lifetime of the car it's not really worth worrying about, it's the same price as an unexpected blow out on a tyre or a wheel fefurb after a kerb kiss or maybe a smart repair after some careless git in a car park has let their door swing open...
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Re: Nav standard in BW22 GTD, GTI & R - Yes or No
« Reply #14 on: 01 June 2015, 11:38 »
Oh, and I've just remembered that after talking to a sales chap last week he said currently VW are mostly concentrating on upgrading models that previously came as standard with the RNS 315 nav units to the MIB II Discover nav, so it's a flow through upgrade across the whole range not just Golfs.
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Re: Nav standard in BW22 GTD, GTI & R - Yes or No
« Reply #15 on: 01 June 2015, 11:38 »
Question is, as I will be getting MIB II, is it worth speccing CarNet app?

I would think the added functionality will be well worth the £100, but as it sounds like just a software change to the MIB II system it would be annoying to spend £100 and find you could switch it on yourself later.  Although, it would be annoying not to spec it and then find out you couldn't activate it later.  Bloody Volkswagen should just switch it on as standard and save confusion.

I think you are damned if you do, damned if you don't.

Don't forget to chuck in that the next phone you buy probably won't support it, because they've moved to another technology and VW implemented the old one only (and can't/won't upgrade it).

Its really early days with all this stuff and car makers really haven't got their heads around the basics yet, yet alone the concept of actual long term sustainability in a fast moving tech world - things like easy software upgrades with new features and compatibility enhancements.

They are still locked in a world where if you want something new, you buy a whole new car - whereas computer/mobile phone/other tech has been all about software upgrades and feature enhancements for a very, very long time - which is ironic given that the home tech is hundreds of pounds and a VW is tens of thousands.

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Re: Nav standard in BW22 GTD, GTI & R - Yes or No
« Reply #16 on: 01 June 2015, 12:52 »
@Sootchucker - bet you wished you'd never asked  :grin:

It is utterly confusing and I take the VW website and it's many descriptions of Carnet with a massive pinch of salt.  The words Volkswagen and confusing are interchangeable!


Question is, as I will be getting MIB II, is it worth speccing CarNet app?

If you had your dealer order the Tech Pack (W8L) with Discovery Pro nav (MIB II) it includes Car-Net App Connect (9WT)

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Re: Nav standard in BW22 GTD, GTI & R - Yes or No
« Reply #17 on: 01 June 2015, 13:12 »
Much like other industries, the car industry is still living in the 1980's.

Very true.

If you had your dealer order the Tech Pack (W8L) with Discovery Pro nav (MIB II) it includes Car-Net App Connect (9WT)

Does it?  Are you sure? Where's this info coming from?  Not that I'm doubting your word but as the vast majority of info VW have put out lately has been a utter garbage, I'm a little sceptical.

IF, it's not included for the sake of £100 I might as well spec it, in the great scheme of things and as Mr Ex says it's a relatively small cost to bear, even though I imagine that it will be redundant tech by the time I come to sell the car in 3/4 years.

I feel another email to my dealer coming on!
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Re: Nav standard in BW22 GTD, GTI & R - Yes or No
« Reply #18 on: 01 June 2015, 13:29 »
No I'm not absolutely sure !! (having been there with previous misleading information with the configurator, brochures, price lists etc when the MK7 originally launched) and I ordered.

My point to the dealer was that you can spec the Car-Net Connect app ( £100 ) in addition to the Tech Pack on the configurator ?? yet it is supposed to be included ( i think it was shown as included on the latest price list description )

Anyway my dealer got in touch with VW to get the Tech pack breakdown and the above is what I have been told !!


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Re: Nav standard in BW22 GTD, GTI & R - Yes or No
« Reply #19 on: 01 June 2015, 13:44 »
Yep it is shown as included on the latest price list for the Discover Nav Pro but not the Discover Nav unit.

The configurator normally knocks an option out price wise if its already included in something else this time it didn't thats why I pursued it with the dealer.