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Offline Booth11

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Re: MkVII R??
« Reply #10 on: 22 May 2015, 22:14 »

Then there's the whole question of whether to have DCC if you go with the 19" Prets  :whistle:

Can you expand on this at all please?

DCC Dynamic Chassis Control (formerly ACC) is an adaptive system offering 3 selectable modes, which adjust the dampers (softening or stiffening) and steering responsiveness accordingly, allowing versatility to suit your driving style and the road conditions.  The modes are - Normal, Comfort and Sport and each is adaptive so will change to suit conditions.  DCC can be configured in conjunction with the Driver Profile Selections (standard on mk7's) to give a highly customisable driving experience.

With respect to speccing it with 19's - many feel that 19" wheels give a harder ride (18's offering optimum ride) and the option of a DCC comfort mode giving a softer ride, to offset the harsher 19's, is a useful option to have, especially on crap UK roads and long motorway runs.  It's a marmite option though, and not everyone agrees.  This thread from the R Forum might offer a bit of insight, or might confuse you further.

http://www.vwroc.com/forums/topic/4262-dcc-or-not-and-why/

I have it on my current mk6 with 19's and have specced it for my R with the Prets.
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Offline monkeyhanger

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Re: MkVII R??
« Reply #11 on: 23 May 2015, 16:51 »
Depends what you are coming from. If you can tolerate the crashy ride of a MK5 on only 17" rubber, the MK7 on 19s will be so much smoother without the need for DCC, and smoother again on 18"ers. If you're coming from something on soft suspension then you might feel the need for DCC. It's not an essential for everyone.
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Re: MkVII R??
« Reply #12 on: 24 May 2015, 18:09 »
Depends what you are coming from. If you can tolerate the crashy ride of a MK5 on only 17" rubber, the MK7 on 19s will be so much smoother without the need for DCC, and smoother again on 18"ers. If you're coming from something on soft suspension then you might feel the need for DCC. It's not an essential for everyone.

Thanks - the Ed30 came with 18s as standard, never driven one on 17s ...

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Re: MkVII R??
« Reply #13 on: 25 May 2015, 16:43 »
Since I've had it... I love keyless!
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Re: MkVII R??
« Reply #14 on: 25 May 2015, 22:58 »
Interesting post by JonnyG on the R Forum regarding DCC and taken from the link provided previously by Booth11.

http://www.driving.co.uk/car-reviews/the-clarkson-review-volkswagen-golf-gti-2013/

Quote :
"I took the car to Top Gear’s test track, put it in Normal and asked the Stig to do a lap. He did it in 1 minute 29.6 seconds. I then put it in Sport. This time he did a lap in 1 minute 29.6 seconds. So then I put it in Comfort, which softens everything up. He did it in 1 minute 29.5 seconds

Adjustable suspension and gearboxes are fitted to many cars these days and I’ve long harboured a suspicion they make no difference to how fast a car goes. And here’s proof. Sport makes the ride uncomfortable but provides no benefit at all. In its Normal setting the GTI is tremendous. The sportiness is still there — the times prove that — but Comfort mode is sublime. It’s phenomenal and brilliant."


As for myself, the below 3 Ds (in order of preference) are the most important options:
First and equally important DCC & DSG followed by Dynaudio.

The rest are fripperies.
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Re: MkVII R??
« Reply #15 on: 25 May 2015, 23:08 »
All you have to read is this post by JonnyG on the R Forum regarding DCC.

http://www.driving.co.uk/car-reviews/the-clarkson-review-volkswagen-golf-gti-2013/

Quote :

"I took the car to Top Gear’s test track, put it in Normal and asked the Stig to do a lap. He did it in 1 minute 29.6 seconds. I then put it in Sport. This time he did a lap in 1 minute 29.6 seconds. So then I put it in Comfort, which softens everything up. He did it in 1 minute 29.5 seconds

Adjustable suspension and gearboxes are fitted to many cars these days and I’ve long harboured a suspicion they make no difference to how fast a car goes. And here’s proof. Sport makes the ride uncomfortable but provides no benefit at all. In its Normal setting the GTI is tremendous. The sportiness is still there — the times prove that — but Comfort mode is sublime. It’s phenomenal and brilliant."

As for me, the below 3 Ds (in order of preference) are the most important options:
First and equally DCC & DSG followed by Dynaudio.

The rest are fripperies.

I've read that before.  I would not expect DCC to offer much in the way of performance gain, and for me that's certainly not a factor in speccing it. 

For the most part (albeit a Mk6 on 19's) it stays in Normal, but for about 20% of the time it's used to counter the abysmal roads I am sometimes forced to drive on.  And, on occasion used to cushion the ride when my elderly mum and dad are passengers.

My order would be:

DSG; Dynaudio and DCC.
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Re: MkVII R??
« Reply #16 on: 26 May 2015, 06:22 »
0.1s is neither here nor there, especially when you're talking about an 89.5 second lap on a track- a mere 0.1%. Could a driver like the Stig even put that down to more than natural variance in doing essentially the same time? It could be attributed to him knowing that car just a little better than he did before, having just done 2 laps in it on Normal and then Sport settings.

VW don't market it as a performance enhancing option, and i'm sure they would if they could.

You buy DCC for the option of making your ride a little softer when you want/need it on our poor UK road surfaces. The MQB chassis offers massive handling and comfort benefits over its predecessor. The MK5 and MK6 Golf on only 17" rubber as standard was harsh and crashy next to the MK7. For many coming from an older model, the standard ride will be comfortable and compliant enough. The only thing that went wrong with my first Scirocco under warranty was the DCC system. It failed twice, once each on two consecutive winters. I wouldn't spec it without a back issue for myself or a regular passenger.

DSG as an option? Personal preferences rule there. If you want to look a bit of a tit at the lights and use launch control then there's no denying the slight benefit off the line, but that one time in 50 that the DSG box doesn't do what I wanted it to do would annoy me immensely.
Dynaudio? Again it's personal preference, the moving car is a noisy environment and we're almost all using MP3s now, some below 320kbps bitrates. With all that in mind, I wouldn't spend the extra on Dynaudio.

I think we've been pretty lucky with the MK7 Golf's standard spec. There's absolutely nothing on the options list that is an essential for all.
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Re: MkVII R??
« Reply #17 on: 26 May 2015, 07:24 »
Top Gear totally missed the point as usual with DCC. It's never been something to make the car any quicker as MH as said it's about adjusting the comfort of the ride and adjusting the throttle response. Me personally I'd spec it with 19's as our roads are so bad.
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« Reply #18 on: 26 May 2015, 07:50 »
Top Gear totally missed the point as usual with DCC. It's never been something to make the car any quicker as MH as said it's about adjusting the comfort of the ride and adjusting the throttle response.

Anyone thinking DCC will make the car faster is living in La La land, they either don't understand what it does, or, it's wishful thinking.  DCC has never been about that.

Me personally I'd spec it with 19's as our roads are so bad.

Me too.  But opinions on optional extras are always subjective.  One person's 'can't live without' is another person's 'complete waste of money'.  I never ask for opinions when choosing a car spec for that reason.  It's a bit like choosing baby names, choose what you want and to hell with what anyone else thinks, lol.

Truth is, non of them are essential, that's why they are called options.  Budget and personal preference/priorities will determine your choices.
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Re: MkVII R??
« Reply #19 on: 26 May 2015, 18:19 »
Always love it when people shove their R in race mode and think its a fast road car, shows they just do not have a clue

I have my R set in Individual with all in sport except comfort for suspension as its just more compliant, when tracking it it goes to sport

Only reason i went for it was because I did not want to go aftermarket coiler overs on the R, ironically if if they do the R400 i'd not speak it and invest in aftermarket