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Offline Brighouse-gti

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Re: Frankenstein engine?
« Reply #10 on: 16 December 2014, 23:24 »
Just been having a butchers round other forums, found a post by some geeza wanting to know if he could swap his G60 bottom end for a bigger bore bottom end to gain some bhp....

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Hi, can this conversion be applied to the G60 aswell?

There was a guide to this in golf+ quite a while ago, iirc you need to use a block from a diesel van and do a slight bit of modding to it, i will see if i can find the mag in question

Maybe I'm going down the wrong route with the 1Y block, and shud be looking at a PD block??

Also as I'm always looking to learn, why is the compression ratio so high in the mk3 tdi block if normally you'd want a lower compression to allow for the extra umff from the turbo? Yes I'm also quite useless with my knowledge on Diesel engines!

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Re: Frankenstein engine?
« Reply #11 on: 17 December 2014, 08:49 »
As said really, the max compression ratio in a petrol engine is perhaps 11:1 with modern management, turbo boosting makes the air already compressed so by making it 8:1 it ends up between 10:1 & 11:1 in the cylinder depending on the boost level, normally aspirated diesels are over 20:1, some up to 22:1 so if you add a turbo you need to knock this back to around 18:1 to keep the compression sensible. Diesels need a very high compression as they are a compression/ignition engine, the compression has to be high enough to raise the temperature in the cylinder high enough to ignite the mixture but must not occur too soon in the cycle or it will fire up too soon. When very cold even 22:1 might not cut it for starting hence the need for glow plugs. Diesel blocks & cranks are normally stronger due to high torque from diesels but the pistons are no use at all for a petrol turbo.

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Re: Frankenstein engine?
« Reply #12 on: 17 December 2014, 15:31 »
Spot on that Jezza, great description! Had a chat with the mechanic at my work today, he basically said the same thing. He is a bit of a landrover nut job, and he was saying at some point, when landrover was landrover, and not a box with a ford engine, that for some of the engines they built they used the same block for the Diesel engines as petrol engines. The only advantage he said of trying to do such a thing for a petrol engine, is that the bottom end and rods are a lot stronger in diesel blocks, so in theory could handle more abuse, I'd just have to swap the pistons as the diesel pistons arent concaved, which helps lower compression, as you pointed out Jezza. He said he's heard of such things being tried out in Motorsport (when he was a lad, many moons ago). He then went on to say that I could use a dizzy from an old Peugeot, insted of trying to drill out the block, as it fires from the camshaft. By the end on my dinner break, he was more into the idea than I was! But there's light at the end if the tunnel now! Going to search into this some more and see what I can dig up!!

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Re: Frankenstein engine?
« Reply #13 on: 17 December 2014, 16:28 »
I've got a G60 large port cylinder head for sale if your interested.


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Re: Frankenstein engine?
« Reply #14 on: 17 December 2014, 17:39 »
I've got a G60 large port cylinder head for sale if your interested.

Hhmmmmm maybe interested, depends what your asking for it??

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Re: Frankenstein engine?
« Reply #15 on: 18 December 2014, 09:45 »
Just curious, how did you get on with your 3k cut out issue?

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Re: Frankenstein engine?
« Reply #16 on: 18 December 2014, 15:34 »
The 3k issue seems to be sorted, I should post up!.. Replacing the air intake boot seems to have done the trick, haven't had any issues since. Have had some heavy rain since so the water in the ECU theory kinda has gone out the window!

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Re: Frankenstein engine?
« Reply #17 on: 18 December 2014, 22:09 »
It would make more sense to build a 1.8 bottom end with lower compression pistons

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Re: Frankenstein engine?
« Reply #18 on: 19 December 2014, 11:18 »
I've got a G60 large port cylinder head for sale if your interested.

Hhmmmmm maybe interested, depends what your asking for it??

Open to offers on it mate. Have it advertised at 150.


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