GTD-R

[Exonian]

Have you seen the prices of the bi-turbo Passats? The difference in price between the Bi-turbo and single turbo 190PS ultra for both the GT and the R-line spec is £5100. Are they for real? Unless the Bi-turbo comes with leather seat and bigger wheels, I can;t see where 3/4 of that £5100 is coning from.

Probably built in costs for expected warranty claims!!! 

[corgi]

Everyone I've spoken to who is remotely mechanically minded (ie not me!) says the current crop of bi-turbo engines are fiddly fail prone things.

That's one opinion... I had a BMW 123d M-Sport and didn't have a single issue in 50K miles... a fine engine it was too...

[Poached]

It sounds like a good idea in principle.

Day to day the economy is likely to be little better than a GTI but you get the possible hassle of an extra turbo and the DPF/SCR system.

[monkeyhanger]

Likely poor traction from standstill. Quicker through the gears than a gti (just), but can't see the 0-62 time improving much because of all that torque that can't be put down initially (unless you get 4-motion).

[legg360]

Likely poor traction from standstill. Quicker through the gears than a gti (just), but can't see the 0-62 time improving much because of all that torque that can't be put down initially (unless you get 4-motion).

The golf r is awd so theoretically a gtd r would/could also be awd

[Exonian]

Yeah, can't see VW not offering it with 4wd to get that sort of torque down.
I recently had a drive out in a 335D x drive and if it didn't have 4wd it would have just dug itself into a hole in the Tarmac with the driven wheels they'd have spun that much! I'm Sure the twin turbo VW motor would have similar torque to weight ratio as the hefty BMW.

I'd say a GTD-R would be the perfect road car (assuming 4wd)

[GrahamFR]

well you can only get this engine in an awd passat so i doubt it would be released 2wd for a golf

[fredgroves]

I went to compare the Vauxhall costs for their TDI Bi-Turbo.... but it seems you can't spec it anymore.

Actually, you can spec it - its 3500 quid extra (list) for a 195PS biturbo vs a 165PS single turbo TDI.

Madness!

Mind you, they want a similar amount of money for a 140PS vs the 165PS TDI.

[monkeyhanger]

well you can only get this engine in an awd passat so i doubt it would be released 2wd for a golf

Well that AWD goes to explain some of the £5100 extra the BiTurbo Passat costs. Assuming £1500 (isn't that about how much Audi charges to go Quattro?) for the Haldex, £3600 is still a lot to be asking for 56PS extra on a GTD-R. If it can put all that power down, you're probably talking about a 0-62 time of around 6.3 seconds (faster than a GTI PP, but not by much due to the 90Kg ish weight disadvantage.

[corgi]

Well that AWD goes to explain some of the £5100 extra the BiTurbo Passat costs. Assuming £1500 (isn't that about how much Audi charges to go Quattro?) for the Haldex, £3600 is still a lot to be asking for 56PS extra on a GTD-R. If it can put all that power down, you're probably talking about a 0-62 time of around 6.3 seconds (faster than a GTI PP, but not by much due to the 90Kg ish weight disadvantage.

Distinguishing between quattro and haldex is not that simple... Audi uses the terms quattro to mean booth the permanent 4WD system and their implementation of the Haldex system. They can be distinguished by the alignment of the engine... all longitudinally installed = traditional quattro whereas the transverse installations are all Haldex...

Why is there such an interest in 0-60 or 0-62 times on this site?

It is a very poor measure of performance... unless, of course, you treat every time you stop at a set of lights as a drag race. If that's the case (possibly with the exception of the R) you have the wrong car... you should have gone rear or 4 wheel drive... a 1978 3.0 Porsche 911 SC with 180bhp would give a Golf GTI a tough battle 0-60...