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Offline JBirchy

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Re: Golf GTI with Extras vs Golf R Base model?
« Reply #60 on: 30 January 2014, 14:01 »
I do agree Craig, especially given the standard setup comes with the XDS+ diff mimicking setup. For me, on the road this will be sufficient.

That said, I also think that the standard brake setup will be more than adequate for the road.

Having said all that, would I have specc'd PP if I had the extra ££ to spend... Yes I would. It just wasn't as important to me as ACC, Winter Pack, Keyless & Sat Nav.
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Re: Golf GTI with Extras vs Golf R Base model?
« Reply #61 on: 30 January 2014, 14:01 »
After three Civic Type-R's without an LSD, I noticed the difference on the fourth which did have one fitted.  But then this all depends on the setup of each model of car not just whether it has an LSD or not. 

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Re: Golf GTI with Extras vs Golf R Base model?
« Reply #62 on: 30 January 2014, 14:10 »
After three Civic Type-R's without an LSD, I noticed the difference on the fourth which did have one fitted.  But then this all depends on the setup of each model of car not just whether it has an LSD or not.

I'm with Brenbo on this one.

I have had a number of powerful front wheel drive cars without an LSD (Saab 900 T16 S, Fiat Coupe 20v Turbo, Peugeot 406 V6 Coupe) and some with (most notably 2 x Honda Integra Type R). The first group were unruly and the other much less so. With an LSD traction is much less of an issue in the dry, the cars understeer less - in reality an LSD allows you to get more out of your car than could could without. I know the Golf comes with XDS+ but this is an electronic device which is suspect (and I can't say for certain) is inferior to the electro-mechanical device fitted to the PP GTI.

My GTD can be unruly in the damp if you are heavy with the throttle and I reckon the PP diff, were it available, would make it far less prone to this.

All this before we start discussing the value of limited slip diffs on rear wheel drive  :cool:
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Re: Golf GTI with Extras vs Golf R Base model?
« Reply #63 on: 30 January 2014, 16:38 »
The PP is my first car with an LSD and boy do I notice it.
I've owned 20 odd powerful front wheel drive cars, many of which were remapped and all sorts of chassis mods, and even on the road at sensible and legal speeds the LSD is apparent with the GTI PP having almost zero understeer. It really does not feel like a front wheel drive car.
The LSD and bigger brakes combo were the entire reason I changed from a mk6 (which I loved) to the mk7.
So for less than a grand you get an excellent value LSD, bigger brakes that will easily handle any future uprated power and a "Meh" 10 bhp that's only there because they thought they had to.

I guess the type of roads you drive on will have an effect but living in the West Country we have hills, bends, mud, poop and all manner of other 'challenges' to deal with and the diff soon becomes apparent. I don't think I've spun the wheels on the GTI once yet. Not that I've tried to but my mk6s, mk5's, mk4's, VR6's, TDI's etc all used to spin up an inside wheel all too easily and all had traction control not too far removed from XDS on the later cars or you'd get body movement and understeer when you didn't want it. Hats off to the chassis designers for the GTI mk7.
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Re: Golf GTI with Extras vs Golf R Base model?
« Reply #64 on: 30 January 2014, 16:45 »
I guess the type of roads you drive on will have an effect but living in the West Country we have hills, bends, mud, poop and all manner of other 'challenges' to deal with and the diff soon becomes apparent.

We have similar around here (but perhaps not as narrow and hilly as Cornwall) but at the moment they are mainly... wet!
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Re: Golf GTI with Extras vs Golf R Base model?
« Reply #65 on: 30 January 2014, 17:43 »
I would even go as far, as saying some of the B-Roads around Cornwall are what the e-diff was designed for.  They can be great fun in a Hot Hatch like the GTI on a summers day early morning with no one on the roads.

But getting back to topic I would honestly say the Performance Pack was worth every penny and you really can feel the difference on normal road conditions.  You do not have to be on a track. 

The Performance Pack was one of the deciding factors why I gave the GTI a second thought and bought one.  After having an LSD on my previous car Civic Type-R Championship White, I will not buy a car without one.  I am not up on exactly how the XDS works but I have heard it is electronic and fakes a diff by applying the brakes etc, (am I correct).  If this is the case how can it compare to a mechanical e-diff configuration. 

I would say the e-diff makes a front wheel drive car as close to being 4WD without actually being 4WD. It will never compare in certain extreme conditions but most of the time you will not notice the difference on normal roads. I have tested the e-diff on a tight corner and it really does feel like you are on rails.     

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Re: Golf GTI with Extras vs Golf R Base model?
« Reply #66 on: 30 January 2014, 23:29 »
How many of you pps have driven an non pp?

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Re: Golf GTI with Extras vs Golf R Base model?
« Reply #67 on: 30 January 2014, 23:30 »
I guess I should say , and vice versa.

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Re: Golf GTI with Extras vs Golf R Base model?
« Reply #68 on: 31 January 2014, 08:11 »
I am currently driving a GTI without PP. Although it does take a lot to get the front end unstuck during acceleration, the inside wheel does spin up you can feel the brake being applied on that side. It does work to a certain extent but it doesn't feel very natural and you can feel that progress is being hampered.

I take delivery of a PP GTI in March, as soon as i have some miles on it i will comparing the differences between the two.

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Re: Golf GTI with Extras vs Golf R Base model?
« Reply #69 on: 31 January 2014, 13:06 »
I am currently driving a GTI without PP. Although it does take a lot to get the front end unstuck during acceleration, the inside wheel does spin up you can feel the brake being applied on that side. It does work to a certain extent but it doesn't feel very natural and you can feel that progress is being hampered.

I take delivery of a PP GTI in March, as soon as i have some miles on it i will comparing the differences between the two.

J

I may have to deliberately avoid that in the fear that I will spend the rest of my ownership wishing I'd ordered the PP afterall!  :grin:



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