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Offline monkeyhanger

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Re: Finance figures on Golf R?
« Reply #10 on: 28 January 2014, 07:56 »
Surely the dealer is only offering VW finance and thats around 6% APR on a Golf - is he manipulating the figures and talking 'flat rates'? I would be very suspicious!!

I generally find that salespeople at dealerships rarely understand the ins and outs of finance. All they understand is the monthly figures, and not how they got there. They seem to drive the deal by how low they can get the monthly payment or how many more extras they can squeeze into your monthly budget without going over it. They ask you how much you can afford per month rather than brokering the deal with discounts on the car and then letting you know what the monthly cost is. They also like to mix up flat rate and APR a lot which can mislead the customer (although I do believe that some of them genuinely can’t tell the difference, so maybe misleading isn’t always their intent.

I have a good relationship with my salesman I’ve had for the last 2 cars. When I go in there he knows I only want to know 3 things – my part-ex price, the GFV and the cash cost of the car itself after negotiated discount. From that he knows that I’ll be able to tell him what that’ll equate to on a monthly basis within a couple of quid of what his computer will say if I go the finance route (which I didn’t this time). The GFV figure also gives an idea of what your part-ex value should be worth at 3 years old.

Look into what is going on in your financial quote – car, part-ex, extras which you may or may not have specified. Some add GAP/Autoglym etc to every quote as a matter of course and then leave them in unless you tell them otherwise.

I doubt very much you’re getting 2.9% APR – that even seems a little low as a flat rate misquoted as APR and the dealerships are obliged to go through VW finance as far as I’m aware. Perhaps they’ve “saved you” the equivalent of around half the interest in discount on the car (total interest on an R should be somewhere in the region of about £3600 on standard example terms).
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Re: Finance figures on Golf R?
« Reply #11 on: 28 January 2014, 08:16 »

Some add GAP/Autoglym etc to every quote as a matter of course and then leave them in unless you tell them otherwise.


To me that's like miss selling PPI.
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Re: Finance figures on Golf R?
« Reply #12 on: 28 January 2014, 08:25 »
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Offline Jimmy Filth

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Re: Finance figures on Golf R?
« Reply #13 on: 28 January 2014, 08:28 »
Balloon payment is £11,610 for the GTI and £13.800 for the R, although I would never pay that as I'd be swapping for a new car. Looking at 4 year old GTI's, if the market stays the same, there could be equity in the car at the end of the term.

If the market stays the same being the main term! :)
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Re: Finance figures on Golf R?
« Reply #14 on: 28 January 2014, 08:35 »
Monkeyhanger, thanks for the advice, I'll be sure to check that when I order the car (if I go through the dealer).

You are right, dealers do fixate on what the monthly payments will be and put any car to that figure. Also, I always point out I don't want gap insurance or any of that jazz. I'm sure VW are sponsored by GardX...
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Re: Finance figures on Golf R?
« Reply #15 on: 28 January 2014, 08:50 »
Monkeyhanger is spot on, that's very similar to the way I did it. However I got a quote from Drive The Deal and took it to my local dealer. I told them my absolute max monthly budget and said if they could meet it, they got the order. Flatly refused at first as i was asking to knock £80 per month from their 'list price' but after about 7-10 days of anxious waiting from me, they said they could get there.

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Offline Mark V GTD

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Re: Finance figures on Golf R?
« Reply #16 on: 28 January 2014, 10:37 »
They've got a finance calculator on their site if you configure a car.
You can go straight to it here without configuring a car (it will be list price without options obviously but you can still adjust the depoit figure to get your agreed price - unless you have a ton of options and a small discount!):

https://www.volkswagen.co.uk/businessFinanceCalculator/generateDefaultCalculation?modelId=1262

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Re: Finance figures on Golf R?
« Reply #17 on: 28 January 2014, 10:53 »
You can go straight to it here without configuring a car (it will be list price without options obviously but you can still adjust the depoit figure to get your agreed price - unless you have a ton of options and a small discount!):

https://www.volkswagen.co.uk/businessFinanceCalculator/generateDefaultCalculation?modelId=1262

And if you do add options, you will be looking at adding 20% of their RRP onto your GFV, as that’s the maximum they will hold. If you take 90%* of the total RRP (or whatever you would be paying for them after discount) of your options and divide by your term months (e.g. £3k options will enhance your GFV by £600 and will cost you £75 a month over and above the basic car on a 36 month term on solutions), that’ll be approximately how much you have upped your monthly payment by adding those options.

*90% = 80% lost, plus interest on the cost.
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Re: Finance figures on Golf R?
« Reply #18 on: 28 January 2014, 11:23 »
I find this PCP calculator very useful..... I use almost daily as I'm always virtual car shopping!   :grin:

http://www.pcpcal.co.uk/

I've spec'd an R up to £35k and assumed I would get a 10% discount making the price £31,500.

So based on the above discounted price with a GMFV of £14,000, 10,000 mile per annum, 48 month PCP, £5,500 customer deposit and an APR 6.1% the monthlies would work out to circa £355-00 month.

Tempting..... ( not that I've been looking or anything )  :whistle:


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Re: Finance figures on Golf R?
« Reply #19 on: 28 January 2014, 12:52 »
Just got some figures for leasing. To be honest, it is working out cheaper to go the PCP route at this stage.
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