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Offline Ginge 35Edition

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Re: Wheel spacers
« Reply #10 on: 29 July 2013, 21:16 »
Sorry mate, meant the guys that sold them to me.
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Re: Wheel spacers
« Reply #11 on: 29 July 2013, 21:19 »
Quote from: Ginge 35Edition on 29 July 2013, 21:16
Sorry mate, meant the guys that sold them to me.
Damian at DPM should know as I've always bought mine from him and he has always asked whether I intend to use them on the front or rear, mine look at little bit fisher price when you remove the wheel as I've put a magic marker 'F' and 'R' on them just in case lol!  :laugh:
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Re: Wheel spacers
« Reply #12 on: 30 July 2013, 08:41 »
Quote from: Beddie on 29 July 2013, 20:13

I'd beg to differ tbh mate  :huh:

The portion that has broken off is what makes the difference between a non hubcentric and a hubcentric spacer and also the part that makes the latter much safer than the former in use imo...

Not only does that flange replicate the oem seat of the wheel to hub and also helping locate and centre the wheel it is also load bearing as having your wheel bolts hold up your wheel as well as hold it on is best avoided..

A non-hubcentric spacer is just a flat plate with holes.
The stepped section gives you something to hang the wheel on whilst you get a bolt in...it's the taper that centres the wheel up.

The spacer shouldn't have broken...but using the spacer as it is won't have any affect on it's use.

The lip on a hub/spacer isn't load bearing - it's only there to locate the wheel.
It's the friction on the faces combined with the bolt torque that holds the wheels on - not the small aluminium lip.
So, as long as the wheel is sitting centred up correctly before torquing the wheel bolts, there will be no additional wheel wobble...in this case, with VW wheels, the taper will provide the centring ability in the same way as it would have done with the 'lip' in place. The lip only makes it easier to hold the wheel in place whilst you get a bolt in.

It doesn't make it right...but they can still be used.
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Re: Wheel spacers
« Reply #13 on: 30 July 2013, 09:22 »
The principle behind hubcentric versus non hubcentric spacers is fairly easy to understand and it's basic engineering common sense re the load bearing portion of the oem hub ring being replicated to prevent undue stress being placed upon the wheel bolts, after all VW themselves saw fit to engineer it into the car in the first place..
This may help you understand?
http://www.superforma.co.uk/hubcentric-explained
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Re: Wheel spacers
« Reply #14 on: 30 July 2013, 13:31 »
Quote from: Beddie on 30 July 2013, 09:22
The principle behind hubcentric versus non hubcentric spacers is fairly easy to understand and it's basic engineering common sense re the load bearing portion of the oem hub ring being replicated to prevent undue stress being placed upon the wheel bolts, after all VW themselves saw fit to engineer it into the car in the first place..
This may help you understand?
http://www.superforma.co.uk/hubcentric-explained

I understand just fine.
Believe what you want.
The wheels won't fall off if he used the spacers the way they are - a little more care will be needed to get the wheel on and centred up, but I'll say again, the metal lip is for locating/centring purposes only.

If it was load bearing, do you think manufacturers of cheap wheels could get away with supplying plastic spigot rings to fit the correct hubs?
Surely a piece of flimsy plastic cannot support load?

No..it can't...because it doesn't have to.

Yet you are suggesting that that tiny 1-2mm section of aluminium that has broken on the pictured spacers, carrys some load?
On a 1400Kg car?
Erm...I think not.

The protruding lip/hubcentric part is to allow the wheel to be placed centrally on the hub prior to torquing up the wheel blots, not to carry ANY load.

A wheel torqued up whilst not fitted centrally can add stress to the wheel bolts...whereas the standard set-up prevents this.
As do hubcentric spacers...
Or the broken spacer above by virtue of the fact that the tapered section will still locate the wheel centrally on the hub, prior to torquing up the wheel bolts.
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Re: Wheel spacers
« Reply #15 on: 30 July 2013, 13:57 »
Calm down dear it's only the internet... I never suggested the wheels would fall off?  :huh:  :grin:

We'll agree to differ, potato potatoe etc  :smiley:
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Re: Wheel spacers
« Reply #16 on: 30 July 2013, 15:31 »
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Re: Wheel spacers
« Reply #17 on: 30 July 2013, 16:27 »
pretty shocking, great heads up on the front and rears being different, was wanting some H&R 8mm hubcentrics so the Watkins Glens clear the APs (In reality prob need 3mm)

hope you get them replaced
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Re: Wheel spacers
« Reply #18 on: 13 August 2013, 16:58 »
Update:-

After some lengthy emails with DPM they have agreed to post me some new spacers, so if anyone is interested they will be available for £70 plus postage. The bolts are for OEM wheels and I have two spare Bol caps as you'll have to forfeit ya locking nuts.

Cheers

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Re: Wheel spacers
« Reply #19 on: 14 August 2013, 13:37 »
Which spacers are available - the broken ones or the new ones?  :laugh:

I'm interested in the spacers btw, if you could get me the part number off them I'd be grateful so I can check that they'll fit my application. Thanks  :cool:
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