Author Topic: Have VW restricted production of the GTD/GTI too much this time  (Read 31489 times)

Offline Cahoot

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The dealer allocation system does seen inherently unfair.

I ordered my GTI mid-June, and my dealer called on Thursday to say I'm still on track for early/mid September delivery (mid-August build). Either he's telling porkies or that's a c13 week lead time which I think is pretty decent by all accounts.

I didn't get a good discount though (2.5%), so it's swings and roundabouts.

Offline p3asa

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If VW restrict production of the GTD/GTI too much people will walk away. It's a fine line but have VW pushed it too far this time?



I think it will chase the punter away that thinks he can walk into the showroom order a new GTI / GTD and expect to get it in a few months. However I think those numbers will be filled by people who are aware it will be a 9 month wait (for example).

Its the not knowing what length of time it is going to take that is the problem.

If VW came out and said it will be a guaranteed 9 months you will get people whose current car isn't due to be changed until then all come forward. It will however create a problem for trade in values that dealers will have to work around.

With VW building the image of the car you have always promised yourself / all the car you will ever want, a 9 month wait would be nothing.
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Offline drisser

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Just out of interest I rang my local BMW dealer this morning and they quoted me “early September” delivery for a factory order M135. 

Not only that, there is currently a £2700 dealer deposit contribution, and as standard you get full leather, full nav system, xenons, cruise etc. 

Yes it will cost more to run without question, but there will come a point where it looks like a better deal if I am going to have to wait 5-6 months for a golf..and I will be able to overlook the ugly looks in favour of better performance and a better deal / short wait.  I have emailed my dealer to try and get an honest view of lead times before i get strung along for weeks..
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Offline monkeyhanger

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and I will be able to overlook the ugly looks in favour of better performance and a better deal / short wait.

Get the BMW and drive it fast to avoid being recognised.  :whistle:

With no allocation constraints almost any car manufacturer can deliver on an order within 12 weeks - including VW.
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Offline JJH

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European demand in general is weakening again and vehicle manufacturers make more money by strictly matching supply and demand. For this to be successfu,l production planning volumes must be predicted accurately and conservately before the project kicks off. VW are experts is predicting demand, controlling future value of there products. Complex statistical models are developed so they can maximise profit. Only by manufacturing for accutal demand can they maximise profit. They know exactly what they're going otherwise they would plan differently. Long waiting times and high sale prices protect future values of out going models therefore protecting and maximising dealer revenues. The larger the car company the more important it is to 'control' demand. With so many options available to customers, complexity results in extended lead-times. I suppose anyone who went through this long wait for their mk6 will not be surprised with the current situation at all. I can't wait pick mine up..........
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Offline Bill_the_Bear

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production planning volumes must be predicted accurately and conservately before the project kicks off

Yes, you make a good point.  You must be efficient... but not too efficient.  Longbridge.

I think most of us are primarily upset by the lack of transparency though.

Offline drisser

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My dealer just emailed me back and it does seem that they also dont have the information.  All i was asking for was when might they come back to me to confirm the build week. 

Given its nearly a month since I ordered, this ought to be transparent.  I work in finance in manufacturing so know this very well, lead times are planned well ahead in order to order components, minimise stock etc so when an order is placed the whole process kicks off..  I would have said 1 month after order placement any big facility should know for the next several months what the real demand is and know very accurately when each car will be built. 

Yes its hard to demand plan before a car is launched, but once orders are coming in, it should be pretty simple to let each dealer know about their lead times..

In our company we do a rolling 13 month forecast to help predict demand.. and then we are doing twice monthly forecast.. Doubt VW is any different and I am sure they are much more advanced than us !

I think just more transparency back to dealers, and in turn customers, would be good..

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Offline drisser

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one other comment I agree with though..

If the limited supply and high demand keeps used values high I am also fine with that, as most of us will be I am sure.

Its true Europe is way over capacity in car manufacturing but VW is the best of the best when it comes to the science of getting this kind of thing right.
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Offline monkeyhanger

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European demand in general is weakening again and vehicle manufacturers make more money by strictly matching supply and demand. For this to be successfu,l production planning volumes must be predicted accurately and conservately before the project kicks off. VW are experts is predicting demand, controlling future value of there products. Complex statistical models are developed so they can maximise profit. Only by manufacturing for accutal demand can they maximise profit. They know exactly what they're going otherwise they would plan differently. Long waiting times and high sale prices protect future values of out going models therefore protecting and maximising dealer revenues. The larger the car company the more important it is to 'control' demand. With so many options available to customers, complexity results in extended lead-times. I suppose anyone who went through this long wait for their mk6 will not be surprised with the current situation at all. I can't wait pick mine up..........

Exactly.
VW are the masters of competitive running costs through clever financing and engineered high residual prices in the used market.

They charge a lot of money for their car, given the age-old status of the VW badge as a “people’s car”, but make them affordable to finance due to their relatively low depreciation. Would you pay up to a £5k premium for a GTI/GTD over its Ford/Alfa/Seat/Vauxhall equivalents if the residuals were 35-40% after 3 years and you ended up paying £150 a month more as a result.

They can charge top whack for a product to maximise profit and have customers satisfied that the residuals will keep monthly prices low – everyone wins to the point until the car’s price-point in the used market is unmaintainable e.g. a Focus ST can be bought for 30-50% less than a GTI of the same age, something has to give.

VW see themselves as established semi-premium now, if not premium. The only way VW can maintain such cracking residuals on a GTI (51% GFV) or GTD (56% GFV) and keep the cost to run one at a pricepoint that many will accept is to limit production. The masses of SE and GT Golfs mean that high GFV is hard to maintain – all the lower Golfs come in at between 44 and 47%, to the point where a GTD can cost a few quid a month less on finance than a GT TDI150 if you can be bothered to wait for one.

In the last 4 years we’ve seen  a 30% rise(£20k to £26k) in the cost of a GTI between MK5 and MK7 (most of it being loaded onto the MK6) despite massive savings in the assembly costings (simplified multilink rear suspension being the most memorable).

There aren’t many marques that would stomach that in a period of recession and stagnation, VW almost caught up with BMW and Audi prices in that period. If Audi weren’t so tight with their standard equipment and staid in their generic styling (not saying the Golf is a true beauty, but it’s far easier to tell a GTI/GTD from a lower model than can be said for the A3 (S3 excepted) ) I’d probably be looking to get an A3 over a Golf.

Anyway, the main point is, if the GTI or GTD was as common as any other Golf with all feelings of exclusivity gone and paying out more per month via lower residuals – would we still buy one over a BMW123D/125i or Audi A3? That’s some consolation as to why we have to wait so long for one!
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Offline DougL

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Great post! Explains a lot of what VW are doing whether you agree with it or not!
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