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Re: GTI Order Placed (what age are you)?
« Reply #130 on: 30 August 2013, 11:37 »
Some very valid points on both sides here.  Good debate!  Although I think you're all missing the main issue - its not younger people that shouldn't be in fast cars/on the road etc - its old f7ckers who shouldn't be allowed anywhere near a vehicle!  They are the danger, not anyone else!  Compulsory driving test at 60, 65, 70 etc IMO.
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Re: GTI Order Placed (what age are you)?
« Reply #131 on: 30 August 2013, 11:40 »
Some very valid points on both sides here.  Good debate!  Although I think you're all missing the main issue - its not younger people that shouldn't be in fast cars/on the road etc - its old f7ckers who shouldn't be allowed anywhere near a vehicle!  They are the danger, not anyone else!  Compulsory driving test at 60, 65, 70 etc IMO.

Ah, but will you still think that in 30 years time? :whistle:

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Re: GTI Order Placed (what age are you)?
« Reply #132 on: 30 August 2013, 11:42 »
Semantics.

A 21 year old is less 'expert' than someone who has 10 years driving under the belt.  I'm saying that there is a minimum level of experience that you really need before you should be driving a car like the Golf GTI.  How we define the word expert isn't relevant to that.  Whether some older drivers should also not be driving a GTI isn't relevant to that.

I swing hot and cold on this.  A new/young driver can cause just as much damage in an old 1.0 Polo Bluemotion as they can in a 2.0 Golf GTI.  If they are so inclined to drive like an idiot, a few extra horses will only serve to bring forwards the inevitable.  My cousin always had fast cars right from when he passed his test - never had a bump or scrape, because it's what he was used to.  Plus, a newer, faster, better handling car is a safer thing to drive than a slower, older car with skinny tyres and fewer driver assists.
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Re: GTI Order Placed (what age are you)?
« Reply #133 on: 30 August 2013, 13:45 »
I think part of the issue is the driving test itself. I'm not an advocate for making it harder par se, but there is no motorway driving, no skid training etc, and no fire department involvement in showing the aftermaths of a horrendous crash, built into the driving test (that I'm aware of ?). For all new drivers, the first time they do high speed motorway driving is after they have passed their test, and skid training the first time they loose control in the winter ice.

I agree to a point in what Bear is saying, however I've know 40 year olds with less common sense than a 16 year old, so think it does hugely depend on the individual. Perhaps better would be a tiered system like in some European countries, where regardless of a young person's ability to afford any car he wants (and the insurance), perhaps the HP of the available cars should be limited for the first 3-5 years of driving, slowly increasing in  power if the driver has no accidents or points.

With regard insurance prices, well that's a tricky one. Insurance companies are no fools and will therefore charge what they think in proportion to the risk - hence young inexperienced drivers get charged more than old experienced farts like me. The problem with that, is if the insurance premiums get ridiculous, say £3-£5k upwards a year, with the resulting fines levied by the courts (or lack of them) for uninsured drivers, it would therefore be a gamble worth taking for some to run with no insurance, and take the risk of getting caught. Even if you are caught, a typical £250-£500 fine more than outweighs a £7k insurance cost. So I think insurance companies should take a fresh look at how they calculate their premiums, to avoid encouraging many people to take this gamble.
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Re: GTI Order Placed (what age are you)?
« Reply #134 on: 30 August 2013, 14:20 »
26 but 27 by the time it arrives (March 14 Plate)  :grin:

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Re: GTI Order Placed (what age are you)?
« Reply #135 on: 30 August 2013, 16:41 »
To answer some questions regarding insurance, I'm 21 and the insurance is gonna work out about 1000 for the year.

This still seems shocking.  Are you fully comp and you are the primary driver?  I was paying well over £1k for an old banger at 21!  At 23 or something I asked my insurance about what it would cost to get me in a 2nd hand mk5 GTI.  They said they do not cover anyone under 25 in that car.  I called around.  Best quote?  £10k per year.

Yes that's fully comp full fat insurance. Your talking like 21 year olds have came straight out of nappies and went straight into a Ferrari. Been driving over 3 year. Now that may seem like a laughable ammount to some and isn't anywere near as much as some but it is over 3 years in bangers. Not enough experience in bangers? Maybe, but in those three years, I have learned ALOT and came to respect cars. Paying this  much for a car and knowing to also respect money there is no chance I will be driving beyond my limits.
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Re: GTI Order Placed (what age are you)?
« Reply #136 on: 30 August 2013, 16:53 »
I think part of the issue is the driving test itself. I'm not an advocate for making it harder par se, but there is no motorway driving, no skid training etc, and no fire department involvement in showing the aftermaths of a horrendous crash, built into the driving test (that I'm aware of ?). For all new drivers, the first time they do high speed motorway driving is after they have passed their test, and skid training the first time they loose control in the winter ice.

I agree to a point in what Bear is saying, however I've know 40 year olds with less common sense than a 16 year old, so think it does hugely depend on the individual. Perhaps better would be a tiered system like in some European countries, where regardless of a young person's ability to afford any car he wants (and the insurance), perhaps the HP of the available cars should be limited for the first 3-5 years of driving, slowly increasing in  power if the driver has no accidents or points.

With regard insurance prices, well that's a tricky one. Insurance companies are no fools and will therefore charge what they think in proportion to the risk - hence young inexperienced drivers get charged more than old experienced farts like me. The problem with that, is if the insurance premiums get ridiculous, say £3-£5k upwards a year, with the resulting fines levied by the courts (or lack of them) for uninsured drivers, it would therefore be a gamble worth taking for some to run with no insurance, and take the risk of getting caught. Even if you are caught, a typical £250-£500 fine more than outweighs a £7k insurance cost. So I think insurance companies should take a fresh look at how they calculate their premiums, to avoid encouraging many people to take this gamble.

I do agree that the tests are not fit for purpose. Personally I think it's better to fail the test as odd as it sounds. Gives you humility and almost forces you to learn everything you can. I think the attitude that after you pass your fully qualified doesn't help, because your not. Maybe different levels of licence would be a good idea. Think a lot can be learnt from Finnish 3 year driving tests
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Re: GTI Order Placed (what age are you)?
« Reply #137 on: 30 August 2013, 16:59 »
  Yes that's fully comp full fat insurance. Your talking like 21 year olds have came straight out of nappies and went straight into a Ferrari. Been driving over 3 year. Now that may seem like a laughable ammount to some and isn't any ware near as much but it is over 3 years in bangers. Not enough experience in bangers? Maybe, but in those three year I have learned ALOT and came to respect cars. Paying this  much for a car and knowing to also respect money there is no chance I will be driving beyond my limits
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Good on you  :smiley:  youth is there to be enjoyed  :smiley: (Sensibly of course!). Despite looking back at the huge insurance premiums at the time I wouldn't have changed having fast cars at a young age. Luckily came from a long family of car lovers, so they didn't worry that I was about to go out and kill myself or anyone else. So much so that at about 70 I think it was, my Grandmother dropped her car round to asking me to sell it for her as she was on her way to hand her license in. Said she'd spent most of her driving life being frustrated by "idiot OAP's" who shouldn't be allowed on the roads, and that now she didn't feel 100% confident driving on the roads she felt she should stop, rather than be dangerous or drive everywhere at 30mph.

The flip side to this however, is that it taught me to be a lot more patient with older drivers who drive slowly. Would rather they drove a little slower safely, then give up the freedom driving provides them to get out and do things (quality of life). But when you get those that can't drive safely at any speed then yes the driving license should be removed. I do think it should be necessary to have medical history and driving proficiency reviewed at old age, and yes I'll stick by that when I'm an age when I have to go through it if it happens.
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Re: GTI Order Placed (what age are you)?
« Reply #138 on: 31 August 2013, 22:18 »
Mid 40s.

The people I have had commenting/drooling though have been from teenagers to 60 odd.
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Re: GTI Order Placed (what age are you)?
« Reply #139 on: 02 September 2013, 15:22 »
26 - will be 100hp jump from my current mito but a fair bit heavier and wider
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