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Re: complete noob which camera thread!
« Reply #10 on: 04 December 2012, 09:00 »
Ok. I'm torn between a nikon D5100 DSLR or the samsung NX210.

What's the nikon like at shooting video? does it have an external mic input?

If you want to shoot video on a Nikon then you want either the D3200, D5200, D800 or D4 the previous gen Nikon cameras only have a pseudo manual control meaning you can't properly override the exposure during filming.  The current gen allows you to set the aperture and then change the shutter speed / iso whilst filming.

The D5100 has external mic as do the D3200 up, I expect you've been drawn to the articulated display on the D5100 you'll need to go to the D5200 if you want this feature, however the cheaper D3200 has HDMI so you could connect an external monitor for filming.

I've got a D3200 as my second body, video quality is great as are the stills.

If video is a must then look at the canon range, they were quicker to marker with advanced video functions but the still IQ wont be as good as the Nikon equivalent.

Also consider micro four thirds

NB If you're planning on shooting film on a CMOS sensor then you might want to read up about rolling shutter;

http://www.diyphotography.net/everything-you-wanted-to-know-about-rolling-shutter

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Re: complete noob which camera thread!
« Reply #11 on: 04 December 2012, 09:40 »
Thanks for the info ridg. I'd love to get the d5200 but my budget won't allow it (according to the missus).

I have read up on rolling shutter. Nearly all of the cameras i was looking at have a cmos sensor so i guess i don't have much choice. I was planning on getting someone to shoot my wedding with it next year, that's why the external mic was important. I doubt the rolling shutter would come into it for that would it?

Apart from that, it's primary use will be wildlife and architecture photography.


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Re: complete noob which camera thread!
« Reply #12 on: 04 December 2012, 11:31 »
Thanks for the info ridg. I'd love to get the d5200 but my budget won't allow it (according to the missus).

I have read up on rolling shutter. Nearly all of the cameras i was looking at have a cmos sensor so i guess i don't have much choice. I was planning on getting someone to shoot my wedding with it next year, that's why the external mic was important. I doubt the rolling shutter would come into it for that would it?

Apart from that, it's primary use will be wildlife and architecture photography.

External mic input is not important.
Firstly a lot of DSLRs don't allow you to adjust the mic recording level once you're recording, which is pretty useless for an event.
Secondly if you're filming a wedding, then as the camera moves about the church, the sound will vary massively. If the camera is close to the couple, you'll be able to hear them do the vows, but if you move away, their voices will be lost in the church/room. Also if you turn up the mic to make the vows louder on your recording, you'll have to turn it down again when singing/music starts.
Most churches/function rooms have a sound system that will be set up to capture and amplify the voice of the vicar/registrar and the couple. Take a portable audio recorder and connect it to the venue's sound system, then you should get much better sound. Then when you come to edit, you can sync up the sound from the recorder to the sound from the camera and maybe mix the two if need be.
Secondly you'll get a better recording with an external unit anyway.

Alternatively, if you just want a memory of the day, you could do something like this. Filmed by a pro photographer friend, his first video on a Canon 5D Mk3. http://vimeo.com/43695907

As said, if you're serious about video, go for a Canon, but if (once the wedding is done) you're more interested in stills, then go for your favoured stills camera with video functions.
If you don't lean either to Canon or Nikon, go try both and see which one works better for you.


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Re: complete noob which camera thread!
« Reply #13 on: 04 December 2012, 18:33 »
Thanks for the input guys. The wedding is in a registry office with fairly good acoustics. I'll just set the camera up as close as possible. Not looking for professional quality, just want to capture the memory.

Last question!

Most cameras come with an 18-55mm lense. What other lenses would you guys consider essential for my needs?

As mentioned i'll be shooting wildlife/animals, probably from distances up to 30m away but also very close up. I'll also be photographing cathedrals and similar buildings etc.

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Re: complete noob which camera thread!
« Reply #14 on: 04 December 2012, 19:06 »
Thanks for the input guys. The wedding is in a registry office with fairly good acoustics. I'll just set the camera up as close as possible. Not looking for professional quality, just want to capture the memory.

Last question!

Most cameras come with an 18-55mm lense. What other lenses would you guys consider essential for my needs?

As mentioned i'll be shooting wildlife/animals, probably from distances up to 30m away but also very close up. I'll also be photographing cathedrals and similar buildings etc.

realistic list (for your budget).

35mm f/1.8
50mm f/1.8 (or faster) I personally think the 35mm is a better choice for a crop sensor
18-200mm

what you actually want  :laugh:
11-16mm f/2.8
35mm f/1.8
50mm f/1.4
24-70mm f/2.8
70-200mm f/2.8

some of the lenses in the second list cost more than the camera (well most of them do) but the glass is where the really IQ comes from.  In terms of value the 18-200 is a steal, it's not that fast not it does everything from wide angle to tele so you can shoot your cathedrals and then zoom into the wildlife, great place to start.  I'd recommend getting a fast prime (fixed focal length) these are good for low light, video work and for teaching you composition.

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Re: complete noob which camera thread!
« Reply #15 on: 04 December 2012, 19:09 »
i'm not buying that lot!!!!!  :laugh: :laugh: :laugh:

i was thinking the 35mm and the 70-200mm to start with?

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Re: complete noob which camera thread!
« Reply #16 on: 04 December 2012, 21:11 »
i'm not buying that lot!!!!!  :laugh: :laugh: :laugh:

i was thinking the 35mm and the 70-200mm to start with?
Those two along with your kit lens (18-55mm) will probably cover you for most of what you want to do.

I have 3 lenses, an 18-50mm (albeit an f2.8 Sigma), a 50mm f1.7 and a 70-210mm f4. Which is enough really, although I'll always be looking for another. It's a bit addictive, lens buying.


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Re: complete noob which camera thread!
« Reply #17 on: 05 December 2012, 12:15 »
won the samsung nx210 for £350 brand new on ebay. gonna give it a bash. if it's no good i'll sell it and buy a dslr. Just need to learn how to take photos now!!!  :laugh: :laugh: :laugh: :laugh:

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Re: complete noob which camera thread!
« Reply #18 on: 05 December 2012, 19:22 »
won the samsung nx210 for £350 brand new on ebay. gonna give it a bash. if it's no good i'll sell it and buy a dslr. Just need to learn how to take photos now!!!  :laugh: :laugh: :laugh: :laugh:

Seriously? That's some bargain if it's legitimate. Does it come with everything, lenses and all?
Good luck with it.


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Re: complete noob which camera thread!
« Reply #19 on: 05 December 2012, 19:29 »
won the samsung nx210 for £350 brand new on ebay. gonna give it a bash. if it's no good i'll sell it and buy a dslr. Just need to learn how to take photos now!!!  :laugh: :laugh: :laugh: :laugh:

Seriously? That's some bargain if it's legitimate. Does it come with everything, lenses and all?
Good luck with it.

still sealed. comes with an 18-55mm lense and a flash thingy.  :smug: