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Re: Time to put Opinions to bed?
« Reply #10 on: 17 January 2012, 17:53 »
Not easy to repeat figures time after time on the road tbh.

Jimmy it's only 200 miles and you'll have a laugh, get in yer car.

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Re: Time to put Opinions to bed?
« Reply #11 on: 17 January 2012, 17:57 »
:) would lvoe to take up a offer of a dyno for a day...

TEst a few things...NA Inlet cam for one and filters etc, N75 valves the lot...

Having no car at the minute doesnt help and a lack of funds to test for a day :(

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Re: Time to put Opinions to bed?
« Reply #12 on: 17 January 2012, 23:18 »
:) would lvoe to take up a offer of a dyno for a day...

TEst a few things...NA Inlet cam for one and filters etc, N75 valves the lot...

Having no car at the minute doesnt help and a lack of funds to test for a day :(

I'd like to see the effects of the NA cams as they seem like hot cake on all the european tuner forum's. Also with NA cams, how many degree's and same for stock 1.8t cams?

Second question, with NA cams in place for the me7.5 boys would VVT have to be disabled as these are hard cam's or would you be able to still use VVT in effect?


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Re: Time to put Opinions to bed?
« Reply #13 on: 18 January 2012, 12:02 »
:) would lvoe to take up a offer of a dyno for a day...

TEst a few things...NA Inlet cam for one and filters etc, N75 valves the lot...

Having no car at the minute doesnt help and a lack of funds to test for a day :(


If you'd like to organise a day here I'll show you the ropes and you can crack on FOC but you'll need to be quick as were booked up from 6th Feb for four months  :sad: but  :smiley:

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Re: Time to put Opinions to bed?
« Reply #14 on: 18 January 2012, 12:34 »
:) would lvoe to take up a offer of a dyno for a day...

TEst a few things...NA Inlet cam for one and filters etc, N75 valves the lot...

Having no car at the minute doesnt help and a lack of funds to test for a day :(


If you'd like to organise a day here I'll show you the ropes and you can crack on FOC but you'll need to be quick as were booked up from 6th Feb for four months  :sad: but  :smiley:

That's an awesome offer :smiley:

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Re: Time to put Opinions to bed?
« Reply #15 on: 18 January 2012, 12:56 »
Damn, thats a good offer.

As I said above, im fairly stuck at the minute.

Great to see people lending the use of their dyno to aid knowledge of particular engine

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Re: Time to put Opinions to bed?
« Reply #16 on: 18 January 2012, 16:07 »
:) would lvoe to take up a offer of a dyno for a day...

TEst a few things...NA Inlet cam for one and filters etc, N75 valves the lot...

Having no car at the minute doesnt help and a lack of funds to test for a day :(


If you'd like to organise a day here I'll show you the ropes and you can crack on FOC but you'll need to be quick as were booked up from 6th Feb for four months  :sad: but  :smiley:

Sounds like you need another member of staff..... :grin:

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Re: Time to put Opinions to bed?
« Reply #17 on: 18 January 2012, 17:43 »
Nope mate, just that CST has its hands full from 6th Feb

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Re: Time to put Opinions to bed?
« Reply #18 on: 19 January 2012, 19:51 »
Its not just about peak dyno numbers when testing,

I am tyring to find Tophers thread when we tested the Pipercross venom kit, the peak numbers where poor but the logs told another storey.


Its not an easy question to answer.

Modern cars are load based ecus which in short mean once the car see the correct amout of air flow to produce stock power the ecu will cut back throttle angle, timing and load request.  But then we have a stock R32, remove the air box and just run with the maf and you will see 12bhp gain on the peak power, and around 6bhp with a panel filter.  NA cars get the best gains from filters. 

An LCR BAM stock air box and Pipercross filter is limited to 247bhp at which point the airbox and filter becomes a restriction.

The BMC induction kit on a 1.8T can only flow upto 213bhp tops, just by taking the BMC off and adding a cone filter you can find 15bhp.

A stage-1 AUM can gain around 4-5bhp on peak power with a Pipercross panel filter

A civic type-R will get an extra 14bhp at points on a dyno graph with an k&n induction kit.

Some TDIs lose peak power with filters.




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Re: Time to put Opinions to bed?
« Reply #19 on: 20 January 2012, 19:18 »
Its not just about peak dyno numbers when testing,

I am tyring to find Tophers thread when we tested the Pipercross venom kit, the peak numbers where poor but the logs told another storey.


Its not an easy question to answer.

Modern cars are load based ecus which in short mean once the car see the correct amout of air flow to produce stock power the ecu will cut back throttle angle, timing and load request.  But then we have a stock R32, remove the air box and just run with the maf and you will see 12bhp gain on the peak power, and around 6bhp with a panel filter.  NA cars get the best gains from filters. 

An LCR BAM stock air box and Pipercross filter is limited to 247bhp at which point the airbox and filter becomes a restriction.

The BMC induction kit on a 1.8T can only flow upto 213bhp tops, just by taking the BMC off and adding a cone filter you can find 15bhp.

A stage-1 AUM can gain around 4-5bhp on peak power with a Pipercross panel filter

A civic type-R will get an extra 14bhp at points on a dyno graph with an k&n induction kit.

Some TDIs lose peak power with filters.



Thanks Nick, a very useful reply.


Cheers,


Jim