Golf R superior fact.

[PenguinGTI]

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the R is a far better car than the gti.... anyone that thinks other wise is crazy!


R everytime 

Gilly to you every car in the world is better than a Mk6 GTI.

The R is not a better car than the GTI.

The R true enough does offer certain aspects that the GTI does not (such as performance)...

...however...

... the GTI in turn offers advantages over the R (such as improved economy from a newer and more efficient engine, a bigger boot, GTI pedigree e.g. the tartan seats, a fun FWD chassis, and a lower pricetag).

To say one car is point blank better than another car is crazy. Each car offers it's own advantages which carry their own individual weight to the owner of the car.

the thing is, we are essentially comparing the same car i.e. a mk6 golf. So when we look at the differences, which is mainly performance... i dont see how you can argue the R is not the better car.

If its the car for you or isnt, thats a totally different story, but to say its not better is just madness.

I'm not mad and it's not better. Yes it has 4wd so has better traction. Yes it has a bigger turbo so has better performance from acceleration. But the bigger turbo also has more lag.

This is taken from the OP:

The engine is different, you can feel it - at 2000 revs there's no torque. 6th gear up the hill at 40 and was almost rolling backwords. Had to downshift.

That doesn't sound like progress in my opinion. The R simply has an older, less flexible and less efficient engine.

So because the gti is cheaper to run and buy and more economical than the R does this make the Golf GT160ps better than the GTI ?
I think not,the gti is nice but the R is king of the Golfs. imo.

There's more than just economy and running costs between the R and the GTI. There is also the boot space and the list prices of the car. The GT160 shares the same boot space as the GTI however the R has a smaller boot due to the rear Haldex components intruding into the boot space.

I really like the Golf R and I would consider one as a future car but to say it's a better car overall because of it's performance... it's just being naive. Admittedly it's a better performing car, but it's not a better car outright.

[R32UK]

Car Magazine:
Mk6 Golf GTI  5 stars
Mk6 Golf GTD 4 stars
Mk6 Golf R.    3 stars

Top Gear:
Mk6 Golf GTI  8/10
Mk6 Golf GTD 7/10
Mk6 Golf R     7/10

EVO:
Mk6 Golf GTI  4 stars
Mk6 Golf GTD 4 stars
Mk6 Golf R     4.5 stars

2 out of 3 magazines prefer the Mk6 Golf GTI.
What do they know ....... 

funny how the drivers choice of magazine is the one that got it right! 

[R32UK]

the gti in its std for is sooo slow anyway... the R is much better balanced and offers useable performance where as the gti is happy to just waste what little power it has.

the R boot has the same width and depth as the gti anyway.... it only looses out a few inches in height. if thats your priority get an estate!

ask yourself this (apart from asker because he is always right) if they were the same price, which would you take?? 

[bobbarley]

Can't you all just appreciate the lovely car the OP has purchased?  Sure he's very happy with the R and has his reasons for this and not having a GTI sat on the drive.

[am1w]

I have had the good fortune to drive both.

In stop/start London traffic, the GTI was so much easier to drive smoothly with much more torque at low revs  Plus, its bigger boot, fun chassis which made it feel fleet of foot, better looks (IMO), wonderful Jacara cloth seats and much better fuel economy (I hate visiting petrol stations especially in the winter) clinched it for me.

Then when I drove them back to back in near Arctic conditions, the R held sway.

However, by this time I owned a GTI and as such freezing conditions are not the norm in London, I was again pretty satisfied I had made the right decision.

Both are excellent cars which are different. However, for me at least, the difference is weighted more favourably towards the GTI.

[PenguinGTI]

I love the OP's car. I'm not saying the GTI is better. I just don't agree with the view that the R is the best Golf you can get. There are different models in the family to suit different tastes and purposes.

[gizzywizzy]

I bought my GTI because I'd always had a yearning for one since my younger days.  It does what I require of it in a nicely understated way.  I could have waited a few extra months and bought an "R" which is obviously more powerful, but I don't need that extra power to be honest.

So the GTI is the best choice for me and therefore is the better car for ME.

[Jimmymature]

I bought my GTI because I'd always had a yearning for one since my younger days.  It does what I require of it in a nicely understated way.  I could have waited a few extra months and bought an "R" which is obviously more powerful, but I don't need that extra power to be honest.

So the GTI is the best choice for me and therefore is the better car for ME.

You've hit the nail on the head there, the best car is the best car for the individual, when I t comes to the best performance that's not a personal view - it's statistics.....


For me the R is a better car than the GTI for what I want, I just don't have £40k to spend on a shopping car 



Jim

[Radek]

Calm down guys!

Having owned both I can say the R drives better than the GTI. Despite the weight it turns in quicker and is more agile. The engine is stronger at higher revs. That's all facts.

The GTI engine is so good that any engine looks bad in comparison. It’s more punchy at lower revs, more economic, has all the features of a new engine. But VW are clearly keeping the 250PS+ version of it for Golf mk7 GTI.

I see your point saying the GTI is better. GTI is a brilliant car. I think the “disappointment” with the R comes from that simple fact. It’s the classic law of diminishing returns:  you have to spend ever more money for little gain. The GTI is so good that the R costing 5k more doesn’t make it a new class. GT--> GTI step for the same £5k makes a huge difference.

As for my choice – as you may remember I badly crashed my GTI and was looking for a replacement. I could have gone for another GTI but I chose an R as I fancied something different. And it is different – no doubt. After a week I have no regrets changing to the R but I need another year or so.

[AlanD]

Take money out of the equation and the R is simply a better car, fact. How is this even a discussion!?