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Offline Jack3559

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Re: Petrol Bio-ethanol Content
« Reply #10 on: 16 January 2011, 14:16 »
It's alright mate, no harm, no foul.

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Re: Petrol Bio-ethanol Content
« Reply #11 on: 16 January 2011, 14:18 »
who cares, the world is ending in 2012 anyways!

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Re: Petrol Bio-ethanol Content
« Reply #12 on: 16 January 2011, 14:22 »
I have chilli paste in my fridge that goes out of date in 2014...

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Re: Petrol Bio-ethanol Content
« Reply #13 on: 16 January 2011, 14:23 »
Honestly, I do think you are getting worked up over nothing much at all.

Petrol has been having various levels of ethanol (or other similar additives) for the last few years, only to 5% or so, but still. Petrol with the addition of 10% level of ethanol isn't going to harm the system.

If there is a genuine concern on your part then there are seal packages available to replace the system for diesel engines, however I am not 100% sure on ethanol seal packages, but there is more than likely an option for a similar systems for petrol engines.

Not so much getting worked up as just wanting to make people aware that a concern exists. I wouldn't be at all surprised if it turns out you are right and it's all a storm in a tea cup but we may as well know for sure. Interesting to know about the idea of new seal packages though, might look into that for future reference.

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Re: Petrol Bio-ethanol Content
« Reply #14 on: 16 January 2011, 14:26 »
who cares, the world is ending in 2012 anyways!

Yeah, but nowt wrong with hedging your bets! :wink:

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Re: Petrol Bio-ethanol Content
« Reply #15 on: 16 January 2011, 16:50 »
Talking 10%. It's not going to be enough to cause major problems, nothing that taking care of the fuel system will not prevent. Fuel filter changes will help a hell of a lot as well.

Diesel cars are running up to 20% Biofuel mixes without any problems.

Honestly, I wouldn't worry about such a small amount of ethanol in the fuel, it's when you get to the bigger numbers like E50-E80 that the problems will start.

Spot on on this. 10% won't be noticeable really, only on a dyno. In Brazil they run E100 for the pure Ethanol, then the gasoline is mixed with an E25 blend. Pretty much all cars there can run on either one. For example, my dad has a Peugeot 307 SW. It has the typical 55l tank, then a smaller, 1l tank for gasoline in the engine bay.
The 1l tank HAS to have gasoline for initial start up (a car running E100 will struggle to start from cold), but it switches to Ethanol as soon as it's running, that 1l deposit lasts about 2 or 3 months.

It is recommended that you run a full tank of gasoline every month to lubricate the system, but my dad has been running Ethanol (with the gasonile tank on a monthly basis) for 3 years no problem.

What are the advantages? Ethanol produces more mid and top end power, increases the HP by a healthy figure. It is also very cheap, about half of the price of gasoline.
Disadvantages? Where as you may get 250-350 miles from a full tank of gasoline, you get about 150 miles MAX from a full tank of Ethanol.

A mixture of E10 here in the UK won't affect anything, it might bring the cost of petrol down a bit too as it's diluted with cheaper stuff (the Ethanol). As Agreeable slick said, maintaining a good fuel system with frequent fuel filter changes means you won't really notice the E10, and neither will your engine.

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Re: Petrol Bio-ethanol Content
« Reply #16 on: 16 January 2011, 21:34 »
Would the power increase be noticeable or would it be like 1 or 2 bhp ?

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Re: Petrol Bio-ethanol Content
« Reply #17 on: 16 January 2011, 23:39 »
Would the power increase be noticeable or would it be like 1 or 2 bhp ?

This is for E85
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It makes power very similar to 117 octane C16 race gas


E10 won't be much though, probably equivalent to V-power and the likes.

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Re: Petrol Bio-ethanol Content
« Reply #18 on: 17 January 2011, 01:43 »
mine runs on lpg mainly (petrol for a min or 2 to bring the reducer up to temp) i think that mite be the way forward i know it still runs on pertol for a short amount of time but it will do less damage than if it ran on petrol all the time

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Re: Petrol Bio-ethanol Content
« Reply #19 on: 17 January 2011, 01:45 »
mine runs on lpg mainly (petrol for a min or 2 to bring the reducer up to temp) i think that mite be the way forward i know it still runs on pertol for a short amount of time but it will do less damage than if it ran on petrol all the time

I thought about LPG. However initial set up is very expensive and would take a while for it to pay itself off.