ABS in the snow

[Dan34]

I made my 1.4 mk3 golf lift off oversteer once 

EDIT: Also if you lot can afford £600 winter tyres, im sure you can put abit into the forum charity (click the link in my sig below). Give a little back instead of b!tching between one another 

[Ess_Three]

Are you being deliberately obtuse - or are you that naive?

VWs are no different to any other car on the planet, hell, I could make a unicycle oversteer if I wanted to.

You must be a very good driver.

What I'm trying to point out that in 20+ years of road, track and competition driving, I've never found a VW that lift-off oversteers...hell, I've been trying to induce lift-off oversteer on my Mk3 for years, to help kill the understeer...the Mk6 will not lift-off oversteer either - the ESP makes sure of that.


So, if I can't get my GTIs to oversteer in any condition, on any tyres,...maybe you can enlighten me?
You are obviously king of the oversteer.


BTW...I'd appreciate it if we'd keep the discussion to lift-off oversteer...as the normally accepted vision of oversteer (power oversteer) won't happen...unless you are so good you can send the drive to the rear on a FWD VW?

And since lift-off oversteer requires a significant transfer of weight forward, unloading the rear and causing a break in rear wheel grip...while you are at it, explain how I get such a transfer of weight, at 20-30 MPH in the snow?

Since you have stated you can do it...please enlighten me?

[gizzywizzy]

I have been ridiculed all week at work for the fact that I have put 4 winter tyres on my car.  Comments like "they saw you coming" and "more money than sense"  Nobody believes me that it is safer to run the car with the 4 tyres and they all say you only need them on the front of a fwd car,  I have argued until I'm blue in the face that my traction in the snow will be better but no one's listening.  Just wait until someone has an accident then we will see who is the smug one 

Massive demand for winter tyres at the moment so we are not alone, also the new legislation in Germany probably means there are supply issues. Once you've experienced the difference you'll know you've done the right thing.
I know I have.
Anyway, £600 over 3 or 4 winters isn't that bad on a 25k car.

I agree I thought £600 for 4 corners was quite a fair figure, they're probably just jealous

Amanda: How are the winter ware/wear? I bet you are very pleased.

Bloomin marvellous, been out on snow and ice this morning, no real problems - did stall and had to move the beggar over some ice which wasn't too easy but got going again and then no probs at all.  Think they have been well worth the expense.

[gizzywizzy]

(Ess_Three, how is it with you, I hear scary stuff on the radio this morning....)

For once I'm happy to report that the weather conditions in the Brae Oil Field, (UK Block 16/07a) 155 miles NE of Aberdeen, are probably significantly better than Aberdeen city.
The Control Room is pleasingly warm...but since I have no windows, I cannot comment on the weather first hand.
I am reliably informed by my shiftmates that it's damn cold, and snowing like hell though.
No flying yesterday or today due to adverse weather.

I'm quite happy to be out here...at least my meals are cooked for me, so I don't have to worry about getting to Tesco for the basics.

Home for Christmas?

[Ess_Three]

Home for Christmas?

Sadly not...
I'll be sharing it with the other 60 or so unfortunates, stuck out here.

Somebody has to keep the Gas going into the line so you lot can keep your heating on 24 hours a day! 

Home on the 29th all being well.

[Ben Lessani]

Since you have stated you can do it...please enlighten me?

Ok, for ease of explanation, lets go right to the extreme of front/rear grip imbalance, zero grip on the rear wheels ...

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=R30xm4ZzXJk&feature=fvst = oversteer (lift-off or otherwise, however you are choosing to define it)

Then a bit closer to reality, your choice of winters front and standard rears, albeit to a lesser extent would behave in much the same way. You don't have to exceed 10 mph to replicate the above, change the situation to yours and add snow/ice/water - and its easily done at sub 30 mph.

[Ess_Three]

...another stunning link rolled out.
Another comment ingored.

This is beginning to repeat like a broken record.

[Ben Lessani]

This is beginning to repeat like a broken record.

Tell me about it, Mr "VW's never can't oversteer".

Stop talking sh!te and I'll stop posting.

[Ess_Three]

Tell me about it, Mr "VW's never can't oversteer".

Stop talking sh!te and I'll stop posting.

Mine can't...but the maybe I'm not fu*king stupid enough to lift off halfway round a bend flat out....or to drive like a bell-end in the snow.

I have repeatedly asked you how you can take an inherently understeering (by design) car and make it oversteer...and you repeatedly choose to ignore the question.

As you choose to ignore the fitment of ESP and it's effect on a Mk6 Golf...

And the fact that in the last 10 years I have yet to hear of anyone having a wildly-oversteering-near-death-insurance-liable incident from having winter tyres on the front of their FWD car.


My car could be hit by an airliner falling out of the sky after being blown up by terrorists. Should I avoid taking it out of the garage?
I've never heard of that happening either...but hey, you nerver know.
I'll have to hunt YouTube...there must be a video of it happening somewhere...
I would hate to advise anyone on here to actually drive their car...just in case.

[JC]

^^

and the morale of the story is...... buy a skuda and pocket the extra £300 you would habve spent on winter tyres

 

after taking the Passat Barge out on sheet ice today - the skuda search starts