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Re: Improving the Sound Quality of an RCD-510?
« Reply #20 on: 12 December 2010, 10:34 »
When I were a lad back in the day...... I had some infinity speakers mounted in one of those accoustic shelfs (in a 1.1LX fiesta  :smiley:). Wow they were just the best sounding speakers ever. They produced an absoultaly amazing sounnd coupled together with a half decent alpine head unit with no amp fitted. I think I paid a couple of hundred quid for them about 12 years ago.

The stupid sodding thing I did at the time was trade my little fiesta in for a new Vauxhall Corsa GSi and forget to take the bloody infinity speakers out. I bet the vauxhall mechanics were fighting over the speakers. I'm still gutted till this day  :sick: Arrrrrrrrrrrr a bit of MAW73 nostalgia for you  :smiley:

Now you've got me thinking about upgrading the speakers and fitting an amp!  :wink:  

 





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Re: Improving the Sound Quality of an RCD-510?
« Reply #21 on: 12 December 2010, 10:38 »
On another note, I listended to another Golf fitted with the Dynaudio system and could really tell much difference between mine if I'm honest.



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Re: Improving the Sound Quality of an RCD-510?
« Reply #22 on: 12 December 2010, 10:40 »
On another note, I listended to another Golf fitted with the Dynaudio system and could really tell much difference between mine if I'm honest.

Not quite the improvement one expects, I must admit!
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Re: Improving the Sound Quality of an RCD-510?
« Reply #23 on: 12 December 2010, 10:47 »
Can you believe it, I have been sent off to the Off Topic Chat section.
We were getting on nicely talking about rim protection for Monza Shadows.
If I change the heading, will I be brought back, I wonder? Give it a go!
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Re: Improving the Sound Quality of an RCD-510?
« Reply #24 on: 12 December 2010, 11:01 »
Martin:
First install a sub under the seat. Around £200 including labour. Give it a week or two to run in (40 hours approx). See what you think. Then consider an amplifier upgrade. Bit by bit is the best way.
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Re: Improving the Sound Quality of an RCD-510?
« Reply #25 on: 12 December 2010, 11:49 »
I think you're probably right with this approach, am1w... However (:laugh:), after I heard the B&W upgraded system in the Jaguar and an Installers own set-up last week I had one of those 'you can't take it with you' moments, so it's all being done next weekend. My only query was the need for the sound processor (Audison Bitone), on the previous page.

I started off wanting it all under the seats (amp and sub), but unfortunately the kit selected just won't fit, so I'll put the electrical gubbins in the boot sandwiched under a false floor, with a (faintly-embarrassing-for-a-middle-aged-man) sub in the boot too.
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Re: Improving the Sound Quality of an RCD-510?
« Reply #26 on: 12 December 2010, 11:55 »
I think you're probably right with this approach, am1w... However (:laugh:), after I heard the B&W upgraded system in the Jaguar and an Installers own set-up last week I had one of those 'you can't take it with you' moments, so it's all being done next weekend. My only query was the need for the sound processor (Audison Bitone), on the previous page.I started off wanting it all under the seats (amp and sub), but unfortunately the kit selected just won't fit, so I'll put the electrical gubbins in the boot sandwiched under a false floor, with a (faintly-embarrassing-for-a-middle-aged-man) sub in the boot too.

Snoops is the man with the answers, IMO. :smiley:

If you don't mind me asking, how much is that lot costing?
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Re: Improving the Sound Quality of an RCD-510?
« Reply #27 on: 12 December 2010, 11:57 »
As I understand it, it's possible to recode the RCD-510 to give line level outputs and cancel it's inbuilt equalising, simply by using Vagcom? Can anyone confirm this method is possible, will work and give me the same quality as the processor route (or near enough)?
You can do this yes. IIRC its listed in the maintenance section in the RNS510 upgrade/setup thread.
NOTHING will give you the 'quality' of a properly setup processor (depending what you class as a processor and quality). But getting someone skilled enough to set it up properly, has the man hours to do it, is another matter but ive been in the ICE game for over 20 years so have different views to some. IMO the JBL MS8 is a great fix and gets the tunning and setup there 90% of the way which is more than 99.9% of the dealers out there are capable of.

EDIT: I missed the audison bitone part as my post was typed as the last two were posted. The audison bit one is a good bit of kit (I have one) but it takes alot of man hours im talking days, of tunning and skilled ears to setup to get the 'best' results.
I find the JBL MS8 solution in 5 mins of auto tune, It got me to 90% of were i wanted to be and saved me weeks of tunning time.
I would say if your into serious world champion EMMA/IASCA soundoff competition then the Bitone has the edge and will get you that extra maybe 10% or less after months of tunning and tweeking you need to go from 2nd to a winner in sound quality but the MS8 i found to get your to 90% or more in less than 5mins of auto tune and make a huge difference to any system even just fitting it inline between the headunit and the oem speakers as it sorts out the frequency responce.
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Re: Improving the Sound Quality of an RCD-510?
« Reply #28 on: 12 December 2010, 12:10 »
Hurrah! The Batphone did ring! Thanks Snoops. I'll go with the Processor, then, but I think it'll be the Bitone. I looked at reviews for both the Audison and the JBL and whilst I think I'd be happy with either, the installer's doing a bit of a deal on the Bitone, and is recommending it. He has said there's a lot of set-up time* for the Bitone in the quote.

* but not months!  :shocked:
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Re: Improving the Sound Quality of an RCD-510?
« Reply #29 on: 12 December 2010, 12:27 »
Just OT but be careful. There is alot of name=quality and BS in reviews and especially forums, so take any review you read with a huge pinch of salt as reviews and owners fall for alot of marketing hype and BS that companies feed out. Its funny when you have been on the other side and find out just how much voodoo and BS is fed to the public/dealers and alike from manufacturers to do with audio and they believe it!. :grin: Its amazing the power of suggestion and how your eyes can hear things or how certain tricks can show something is superior. :evil:
« Last Edit: 12 December 2010, 12:32 by Snoopy »
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