Name and Shame Scammer

[Matty-MK3]

You can generally tell the good guys on the forums etc. I'll name three people I'd deal with who I have never dealt with before:

Chuff, Guy and Diamond Hell

I know they're good guys due to sales they've done before and general forum usage.

If they are new, make them take photo's of the items with their user name in the background and maybe an envelope with their address. Pay by PayPal etc. with NO gift and if near enough go and meet them.

[Khare]

you forgot me 

[Matty-MK3]

Three random names. They posted on this thread and I saw their names first.

I'd buy off you too Khare, I better mention Shady before the handbags come out.

[asif]

Lads come on what are all the people that have been scammed going to do?
You can't just throw your money away and just leave it at that, you guys must have too much money not to be doing something about it.
If you guys got too much money that you can throw it away, send me some plz as I could do with some mods on my car.

Serious guys get your scammed heads together and come up with something with all the info you guys have been given you must be able to get corner the coontand do something about it.

[mick ov mids]

Lads come on what are all the people that have been scammed going to do?
You can't just throw your money away and just leave it at that, you guys must have too much money not to be doing something about it.
If you guys got too much money that you can throw it away, send me some plz as I could do with some mods on my car.

Serious guys get your scammed heads together and come up with something with all the info you guys have been given you must be able to get corner the coontand do something about it.

Serious guys get your scammed heads together and come up with something with all the info you guys have been given you must be able to get corner the coontand do something about it


i.e go kick he's foooooking head in so bad he will be eating through a straw for 12 months lol

[JC]

the other issue is that if you make it more difficult to potentially scam do users then have too much trust for sellers on here? say for example, we upped the figure from 10 too 100 posts before you can use the pm system. it makes it look more 'secure' but how easy is it to hit 100?!

i refer you back to my earlier post and my PM JV.

as a few have admitted, they didnt CHECK things first.

 75% of this is common sense and realising that The bargain IS TOO GOOD TO BE TRUE.

 Until then, no matter what you do, people will get ripped off. 

[Guy]

is a theoretical trader rating of 0 really any different to a 1 day old forum account on 13 posts? if yes, how does a new user ever 'trade'? if no, then there is no point.

much like any 'wouldnt it be great if the forum did x' type suggestions, unless it is fully written to support smf it's a nightmare for future upgrades/security fixes/etc/etc

the other issue is that if you make it more difficult to potentially scam do users then have too much trust for sellers on here? say for example, we upped the figure from 10 too 100 posts before you can use the pm system. it makes it look more 'secure' but how easy is it to hit 100?!

in theory no jv... but it would be an indication. how do people start trading on the bay with no feedback... someone takes a calculated risk

i see what you are saying about 'wouldn't it be great if the forum did x' suggestions... but ideas are good as it introduces alternative thinking... something suggested 'might' be possible, easily, which 'might' solve the problem (then again it might not!) - this idealistic thinking is also why i suggested more practical solutions like each user popping a bit of feedback in the thread after each sale for reference... and also putting usernames in photos and sending an envelope one way and then returned in the post to verify address (that way if the sh1t hits the fan there will be a place to visit and say hello  )

[JC]

again, easy to get round,  scrotes have bigger scrote mates - willing to lend  a hand and all that 

I just wish i could sell common sense, i could make a fortune 

and yes this could be read as me having a go  BUT if one person learns from a LOT of peoples  mistakes it will be worth the abuse

 but lets go thru a few steps

You Place a wanted ad and you get contacted by PM, email, text , reply on thread or even just see an ad placed . . . . . . . .



1, New member - check ( yes  i know not all newbies are out to scam people  )

2, wont allow collection - check ( not always possible I know, but you can ask if a forum " trusted member " lives close and can go and " view " the item for you  - how can you collect summat that doesnt exsist  )

3, price too good to be true - check ( COMMON SENSE - alarm bells should be ringing now  )

4, and i still get a further price reduction - check ( perhaps he fancies you - why else would he reduce a  bargain price further )

5, wants payment by bank transfer only - check ( ZERO come back - all details CAN and proberly are FALSE - Theres those bells again  )

yes, nowt dodgy about that - lets send him £'s


Harsh i know, but most people in this thread have admitted to at least one of the above .

[VR6_Wherry]

People are always going to scammed at some point whether it's on this forum or somewhere else. Theres nothing that can be done in any extent. Up the post count only makes it more of a challenge to the scammer then a deterrant! As Chuff said just follow the steps..

JV it's a good idea to have a sticky warning people about and i think in theory that's the best that you can do. (If the Police can't stop scammers then who the fcuk can?) Only thing is that people don't even read how to SEARCH or use PM's. 

If i'm honest i probably wouldn't want to sell on here now, as i live offshore things will take longer to get over. I wouldn't want to be another victim of being wrongly accused of being a scammer as this has happened plenty of times before.

When buying things, just be cautious

[dub268]

Well he's back again by the looks of things  i should read more of the off topic section and this would of saved me some ball ache.

Any ill post what happened, last tuesday i posted in the wanted section for a jazz blue bumper for a mk4, couple hours late i get a pm from toomany saying that he has a one for sale and gives me a contact number. So following day i text him asking details ie condition,price. I haggle with him on the price and get it down to what i wanted to pay (great  ) he then sends me a text at 1715 asking if i can get to a money shop by 1730 as he posting something else that day.

I say no i cant as im at work but can pay by paypal, no more response that day, following day get another text im i still intrested, i say yes but will only pay by paypal few hours later i get a email to pay with paypal, so i think great, but as im at work i just use my phone to sort payment and think nothing more, had a real busy weekend so never chased anything up, texted him yesterday asking if there was any kind of tracking number or ref no reply, tried again today with text and pm from here.

Then i read some of the project pages and come across smitty last post on his build page and "toomany" is there, i think arrr ive just been put over a barrel and f***ed  , so done a quick search and found loads of pages on here about this s*** which has lead me to here, so im off to start a despute with paypal and see where i get.....if anyone is intrested i have mob. number and paypal address.

I only tell you this as a warning to others that he is still using site