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Offline dovey

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Re: Worth the money?
« Reply #10 on: 31 January 2010, 17:18 »
I think that Pug is supposed to be their Audi TT / Scirocco attempt - it does look very good.

I had a 57 reg Pug 207 diesel last year, and this year test drove a Golf Diesel and really wasn't impressed! I thought the engine in the Pug was far better. The Golf didn't feel overly well built to be honest with a stupidly bodged join between carpet and plastic in the n/s/f footwell. There was also vibration through the clutch pedal, as well as the radio skipping at the start of every track when playing the iPod (not a problem with the iPod either).

The above was really the reason to ask the question on here - is a Golf worth the extra. I'm not convinced - are VW living on reputation and cutting corners? Probably!  :cry: Are the French trying to clear a bad reputation and putting in the extra effort? It seems so!
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Re: Worth the money?
« Reply #11 on: 31 January 2010, 17:23 »
No, VW diesels aren't great for noise, vibration and harshness - sorry to all you GTD/TDI owners. Was it a Mk5 or a Mk6 Golf you drove dovey?
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Re: Worth the money?
« Reply #12 on: 31 January 2010, 17:30 »
 As a new MKV GTI owner (4 weeks now) I've still not been fully indoctrinated into the VW "clan" so I'll pass on my opinions before I do !!

 Whilst I'm definitely enjoying the GTI I'd honestly say that build quality in VW's isn't quite the "quality" as the advertising (& some owners) would lead you to beleive, this alone certainly doesn't justify the premium over other marques like it once did - this from an ex-Hyundai Coupe owner !!

 What's immediately obvious to me though is just how well the Golf does pretty much everything - great roadholding & ride quality, decent build quality, decent image (not a CHAV car like many hot hatches) & it holds value well too(not something you'll find with a french car). I test drove the new Megane Coupe 2.0TCE & was completely underwhelmed by it - the Golf immediately felt much more "special"

 I think many of the reviews I read before I bought it were spot on - whilst some competitors have strengths & weaknesses in different areas the VW just does everything very well

 Would I pay new Golf GTI MK6 prices...not a chance, too expensive now. In a year or two I may well consider another "nearly new" one though - although that RCZ looks very interesting, I'll certainly be checking out the reviews !!  

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Re: Worth the money?
« Reply #13 on: 31 January 2010, 18:18 »
I actually thought that RCZ was pretty awful looking up to a point.

To add (hopefully) my final comments in this thread; Golfs are mass produced the same as Pugs and Renaults. So you can expect faults and if you read forums and JD Power type surveys they seem to have more than their fair share of those. BUT if you've paid top dollar for a VW you will pick at every fault because you are buying a product that is marketed in this country as being a cut above the rest. If you buy a French car you expect electrical gremlins and naff plastics so you won't be disappointed if that's what happens, and if you don't get too many problems then you're well happy.

There is no right and wrong anwer to the OPs questions really and I wonder if it's all a bit of a wind up? Ya pays yer money and all that.......

As we've said, the Golf is a much bigger car than a 207 or Clio and should be squared up against a Megane or 307/8 or whatever it's currently called. The price of Golfs has gone up a lot in recent years, but so has the price of a Focus, Astra, Megane etc.
I've owned VWs for about 23 years and they've always been a bit dearer than the competition.
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Offline andykram

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Re: Worth the money?
« Reply #14 on: 31 January 2010, 18:32 »
I'll try and be objective Dovey. Before I bought my Mk 6 I test drove the Astra VXR and the Civic Type R, both direct competitors.
I really liked the VXR. It's a bit mad but enormous fun and the build quality I thought was very good. In fact I've owned several Vauxhalls (as well as a Mk 3 GTi and 2 Mk 4 GT TDi Golfs) and the Vauxhalls have been far more reliable. I think the Mk 6 interior is better but that's a new model compared to the Astra which was nearly at the end of it's life. I suspect the next VXR will feel just as good inside as the Golf.
The Type R didn't really float my boat. It didn't feel remotely as quick as the VXR (even though on paper I know it pretty much is) and you had to murder it for it to do anything. On a test drive this was ok fun but longer term I thought I'd tire of having to drive like that. I also thought the interior was cheap feeling too.
Bearing in mind I also had £1000 worth of GM points as an extra discount on the Astra the Golf had to be special for me to go for it. And it was. The test drive was on country roads but we had to toddle through suburbia to get there and the two types of road just confirmed why this is such a superb car. Totally brilliant on both. The Astra was a bit hard core for town driving and not as fluent on the country roads.
So overall I thought it was worth paying the extra. But then again I ordered mine last May with VAT at 15% and before the price rises and got around £1000 off it. My Golf would now cost me £27k plus so I'd be struggling to justify that over a VXR next time round which I might be able to get for £5k less with 4 years interest free credit on top.
As for image friends and work colleagues also reckon the Golf is a winner. I'm 42 and they all said I was too old for a VXR as it's a bit of a yoof's car. The GTi is a more mature, classy car. However, only you can decide whether all that is worth the extra money.

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Re: Worth the money?
« Reply #15 on: 31 January 2010, 18:56 »

New Peugeot Rcz starts at £19,500 upto £24,000 looks pretty good to me
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Re: Worth the money?
« Reply #16 on: 31 January 2010, 21:10 »
10/10 for design,take a look at the mk5 mk6 and now mk7 golf the VW designers are getting abit lazy imo(I own a mk6 gti by the way)

I didnt realise the mk7 had been revealed, can you point me to some images, VW ones.
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Re: Worth the money?
« Reply #17 on: 31 January 2010, 21:39 »
I think that Pug is supposed to be their Audi TT / Scirocco attempt - it does look very good.

I had a 57 reg Pug 207 diesel last year, and this year test drove a Golf Diesel and really wasn't impressed! I thought the engine in the Pug was far better. The Golf didn't feel overly well built to be honest with a stupidly bodged join between carpet and plastic in the n/s/f footwell. There was also vibration through the clutch pedal, as well as the radio skipping at the start of every track when playing the iPod (not a problem with the iPod either).

The above was really the reason to ask the question on here - is a Golf worth the extra. I'm not convinced - are VW living on reputation and cutting corners? Probably!  :cry: Are the French trying to clear a bad reputation and putting in the extra effort? It seems so!

This sounds like a hire car I had recently and was not a good advert for a Mk5 Golf Diesel as it was nothing like mine. i.e. clutch doesn't vibrate and the carpet fits well. Don't have an iPod so cant comment on that.
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Re: Worth the money?
« Reply #18 on: 31 January 2010, 22:34 »
No, VW diesels aren't great for noise, vibration and harshness - sorry to all you GTD/TDI owners. Was it a Mk5 or a Mk6 Golf you drove dovey?
Hi, it was a MK6. I've got a MK3 VR6 at the moment, and to be honest it feels better built which was what surprised me the most! Progress and all that. As regards the diesel engine, again I expected that to be better than the 57 reg Pug diesel I had but it wasn't - 2 years of engine development and a 'better' brand should have made it noticeably better I thought.

There is no right and wrong anwer to the OPs questions really and I wonder if it's all a bit of a wind up? Ya pays yer money and all that.......
Nope, no wind up. I'm a VW fan (have had 2 MK3 Golfs and also a Transporter van). I went along to test drive the MK6 Golf ready to sign the paperwork basically but was so un-impressed with the quality that I drove away in my MK3 again! I'd have taken the Pug 207 over the Golf - I surprised myself!


andykram, thanks for your post it was really helpful  :smiley:
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Re: Worth the money?
« Reply #19 on: 31 January 2010, 22:42 »
Is it worth the WAIT and the higher £ per bhp???? YES!
Do you really want that car? Can you afford it---factor in >50% depreciation in just 3 yrs! If the answer is yes, go for it! You only live once!
The Focus RS, Mazda MPS and the Renault Megane RS might be faster and cheaper but I am glad that I spend the extra £££ on the Golf. The GTI does everything so well!
Decent performance, economy, comfort and interior space. The interior looks more sophisticated than its rivals. It also look discreet enough for me to leave it anywhere in my neighbourhood without generating envy but still look sporty and attractive enough to attract compliments esp. members of the opposite sex.
It's a bit like why people still spend silly money on a F430, R8 or 911 when the cheaper Nissan GTR will give these cars a bloody nose for track performance. Unlike buying a house, buying a car make no financial sense. Maybe it is about fulfilling a dream or giving one some sort of reward for working hard.