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Re: New Golf Mk 7 rendering from Auto Express
« Reply #40 on: 06 October 2009, 19:03 »
I don`t think they are saying its exactly the same,but it is very similar,i own a mk6 like you and i can see the are very similar,not the same, theres no getting away from it the mk6 is just a improved version of the mk5.
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Re: New Golf Mk 7 rendering from Auto Express
« Reply #41 on: 06 October 2009, 19:04 »
You guys crack me up. I mean really you have no understanding of the automotive industry and how it works. I didn't say exactly the same as that would be silly. If you don't believe me fine, next time you're in the dealers ask one of the techs out back, he'll put you straight.

My family has been involved in the motor industry for over 50 years and I do know what I'm talking about, I'm certainly not a balding journo and I certainly am not just lifting my opinion from theirs. I am repeating the official VW information. If you want to disbelieve the company that actually made your car and fool yuourself you're driving a completely different car from a MK5 go ahead, it's no skin off my nose it just makes me laugh you get suckered in by the glossy brochure and sales patter of some spotty sales clerk.

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i think you'll find most negative comments said it was the same car - which as you rightly say is silly.  and you are repeating opinion because you're repeating the vw information.  i'm not disbelieving anyone, my beef is people commenting on something when they haven't actually driven one to find out for themselves!!  and i certainly don't get suckered into the glossy brochure - i actually have owned both so i made up my own mind instead of being a sheep.  when you have driven both come back to me and we'll have a sensible conversation.  until then your opinion is basically what you have read.  mind you, i suppose even a fool is entitled to his opinion  :laugh:
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Re: New Golf Mk 7 rendering from Auto Express
« Reply #42 on: 06 October 2009, 19:05 »
Why does it bother you so much ? :undecided:

because its moronic to say its the same car!!  no reason other than that!  and these kind of comments always come from people who don't have one/haven't driven one.  its like saying a film is sh1t but not actually watching the film to make up your own opinion and just saying that cause they read it in the paper - its retarded.   :wink:

Pointing out that VW have saved some R&D cash by carrying over some bits from MKV does not mean I/we are saying it's inferior........Like the chassis, some of the transmission, etc. It's simple 'how-to-run-a-car-business' economics.

Jeez, lighten up!  :laugh: :kiss:
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Re: New Golf Mk 7 rendering from Auto Express
« Reply #43 on: 06 October 2009, 19:06 »

Jeez, lighten up. :kiss:


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Re: New Golf Mk 7 rendering from Auto Express
« Reply #44 on: 06 October 2009, 19:21 »
i'm not disbelieving anyone, my beef is people commenting on something when they haven't actually driven one to find out for themselves!! 

Owned a MK5 for 2 years, and have a deposit down on a MK6 R - and have test driven the GTI several times and a GTD.
The MK6 is a better version of the MK5!  I know you can look down the line and say the MK4 is a better version of the MK3... and how it was based on it etc... but the MK5 and MK6 share the same chassis - hence why everyone is saying its the same car.  Yes, every panel has been changed, the interior is different... but at the base of it its the same car which has been improved - rather than a whole new platform.

I don't know why everyone can't just agree that the MK6 is a better version of the MK5 - because technically thats what it is!
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Re: New Golf Mk 7 rendering from Auto Express
« Reply #45 on: 06 October 2009, 21:42 »
The MkVI is too similar to the MkV, not different enough to upgrade to.  If you have never owned a MkV GTI then defo get one but it is not worth upgrading from a MkV to a MkVI IMO.  I don't know how VW can justify a 20% increase in price (or thereabouts) over the MkV, considering its cheaper to build.

I like the look of the MkVII though.  It does look sleeker and its looks will probably grow on everyone.  After all, when the MkV came out everyone was slating that too.

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Re: New Golf Mk 7 rendering from Auto Express
« Reply #46 on: 06 October 2009, 21:58 »
You guys crack me up. I mean really you have no understanding of the automotive industry and how it works. I didn't say exactly the same as that would be silly. If you don't believe me fine, next time you're in the dealers ask one of the techs out back, he'll put you straight.

My family has been involved in the motor industry for over 50 years and I do know what I'm talking about, I'm certainly not a balding journo and I certainly am not just lifting my opinion from theirs. I am repeating the official VW information. If you want to disbelieve the company that actually made your car and fool yuourself you're driving a completely different car from a MK5 go ahead, it's no skin off my nose it just makes me laugh you get suckered in by the glossy brochure and sales patter of some spotty sales clerk.

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i think you'll find most negative comments said it was the same car - which as you rightly say is silly.  and you are repeating opinion because you're repeating the vw information.  i'm not disbelieving anyone, my beef is people commenting on something when they haven't actually driven one to find out for themselves!!  and i certainly don't get suckered into the glossy brochure - i actually have owned both so i made up my own mind instead of being a sheep.  when you have driven both come back to me and we'll have a sensible conversation.  until then your opinion is basically what you have read.  mind you, i suppose even a fool is entitled to his opinion  :laugh:

You're really not understanding what I'm saying are you? I never ever said the car is bad, sh!t or rubbish. In fact I have actually said it is better than the MK5 and not dissed it at all. To be honest I think the styling is pretty poor but that's personal taste.

All my comments have been about the physical structure and parts used in the car. These parts and the chasis are not opinion they are hard fact. I don't have an opinion that the shell is the same with a re designed profile, it is a fact that this is the case. I don't need to drive a car to know or not if the same parts have been used to manufacture it much as I don't need to eat a tin of Heinz beans and a tin of Hp Beans to know that both contain beans and tomato sauce!

I won't ever argue that the MK6 is a more refined and quieter car, it is. I will actually argue that I think it's a bit soft a fluffy compared to the MK5 but then I like my cars a bit hard with plenty of feedback. I like how you assume (I guess from the fact I own a MKII Golf) that I haven't driven a MK5 or 6. Your crystal ball seems to be broken as I have in fact driven both although not back to back on the same day.

Here are some example of othe rfacelifts for you to consider.

MKI Fiesta:


MKII Fiesta:


Same body but with skin deep changes, new lights, bumpers and interior. Although listed as different MK's pretty much everything is directly interchangable between the two and are to all intents and purpose the same car.

MK2 Polo:


MK3 Polo:


Same body, same running gear, updated lights, bumpers and interior. As with the fiesta 90%+ of the parts are directly swappable between the two.

In both the above cases the early car was taken and improved on to last a few more years and be better than the earlier model. These and the MK6 golf are just many examples of where the car companies update their products to keep pace with the market without having to splash out massed on R&D on a complete new car. Both the Fiesta and the Polo were considered greatly improved at the time as the MK6 is considered an improvement over the MK5. But at the end of the day it's an improved car not an all new car.

I myself drive a Corrado. Considered by many at the time (and some extent even now) to be one of the best handling cars FWD cars of all time. It is however a parts bin special, the engine in mine is from a passat, the front suspension is from a MKII Golf, the rear from a passat estate. It then has a body designed and built by Karmann. Doesn't sound that great written like that but the sum is greater than it's parts and the same can be said of the MK6. While it is mostly MK5 with a sprinkle of new bits and a redesigned skin the complete package is more than what the parts list suggest and that's a good thing and nothing to be ashamed or upset about.

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Re: New Golf Mk 7 rendering from Auto Express
« Reply #47 on: 06 October 2009, 22:02 »
Ha ha you keep living the dream. It's the same car underneath with a few tweaks to upgrade the interior and reduce production costs and give it the new VW corporate nose. This was well publicised in the press and is the official line from VW.


living the dream?  well i've have a mk 6 and i had a mk 5 gti so i can actually make my own mind up rather than reading what a fat sweaty journo tells me in some magazine.  oh and the engine is different so its not really the same car is it?  plus it doesn't drive the same.  and the interior is different.

the same?  hmmmm.  :rolleyes:

Jeees you guys are soo picky, some different shaped seats, a few new knobs, some extra soundproofing and some extra bits on the engine do not make an all new car! VW have stated in their press releases and on their website pre launch that it was not "an all new car" but an upgraded and tweaked MK5 to make it better and more efficient to build and run.

Ok let me try and put it in terms you may understand. If you tried to fit the running gear and interior on a MK4 into a MK3 or a MK5 it won't fit, the body shells and platfroms are different. They are different cars. If you want to swap the running gear and interior from a MK6 into a MK5 you can because the body shell is the same, they are essentially the same car.

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 :grin: What a clown

Thanks, I do kids parties and corporate functions. Let me know when your clowning skills aren't available and I'll happily fill in for you :wink:

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Re: New Golf Mk 7 rendering from Auto Express
« Reply #48 on: 06 October 2009, 22:08 »
Ha ha you keep living the dream. It's the same car underneath with a few tweaks to upgrade the interior and reduce production costs and give it the new VW corporate nose. This was well publicised in the press and is the official line from VW.


living the dream?  well i've have a mk 6 and i had a mk 5 gti so i can actually make my own mind up rather than reading what a fat sweaty journo tells me in some magazine.  oh and the engine is different so its not really the same car is it?  plus it doesn't drive the same.  and the interior is different.

the same?  hmmmm.  :rolleyes:

Jeees you guys are soo picky, some different shaped seats, a few new knobs, some extra soundproofing and some extra bits on the engine do not make an all new car! VW have stated in their press releases and on their website pre launch that it was not "an all new car" but an upgraded and tweaked MK5 to make it better and more efficient to build and run.

Ok let me try and put it in terms you may understand. If you tried to fit the running gear and interior on a MK4 into a MK3 or a MK5 it won't fit, the body shells and platfroms are different. They are different cars. If you want to swap the running gear and interior from a MK6 into a MK5 you can because the body shell is the same, they are essentially the same car.

nick

 :grin: What a clown

Thanks, I do kids parties and corporate functions. Let me know when your clowning skills aren't available and I'll happily fill in for you :wink:

nick

My clowning skills are never available, and I'd just be a wannabe anyway, you do a great proper version.  :wink:


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Re: New Golf Mk 7 rendering from Auto Express
« Reply #49 on: 06 October 2009, 22:09 »
fair and very patient reasoning

don't waste your time on tubes like vwkev and matchboy - it's like talking to a wall.