Effect of 100km/h to 0km/h on a Golf Mk6 GTD in a second

[VWKev]

Well lets again just say hypothetically that VW are wrong, and they are not linked. For me, this is still a safety feature. It will only help if the GTi is ever in that position.

VW also tell us the R has a 4WD system that can send 100% to the rear!

In this case, they aren't wrong...just not giving the full story.

For the first time the GTI features XDS, an extention of the well known EDL function. This is linked to the ESP hydraulics and works by applying pressure to the inner front wheel during fast cornering to prevent spinning.

EDL works by monitoring front wheel speeds and applying pressure using the ABS pump, to the spinning wheel...it's fairly crude and only works under 30 MPH (I have it on my Mk3) and it uses the ABS Pump to operate the callipers, via the brake hydraulics.

ESP is a set of electronics that monitors inputs and sends outputs to the ABS controller to actually do the braking - the ASP has no physical connection with the car's hydraulic brake system that I'm aware of and hence there are no ESP hydraulics - only ABS hydraulics linked to ESP inputs - unless it's changed on the Mk6?
An explanation of ESP is here:
http://www.bosch-esperience.co.uk/uk/language1/how_does_esp_work.html

Note the bit about: "It uses the vehicle's braking system to "steer" the vehicle back on track."

The fact that VW tell us that XDS is advanced EDL give the game away to anyone who understands how EDL works.

Ok, VW are wrong, your right. What's more, you've kept face in the forum and you havent agreed that its still a safety feature and bypassed that altogether.

[Ess_Three]

Ok, VW are wrong, your right. What's more, you've kept face in the forum and you havent agreed that its still a safety feature and bypassed that altogether.

Normal service has resumed.

VW are clever how they word things...it's marketing bullsh!t designed to fool peiople that don't understand.

You don't understand how it works - despite a link to Bosch's website explaining - so you can't counter the argument...so resort to spitting the dummy.
You know Kev, you really do know a lot less then you seem to think.

ESP is a Safety Feature, like ABS.
EDL was sold as a traction control feature, as is XDS.

You don't need to be a genuis here Kev...just to go and find out how things work...there is no harm in not knowing everything...everyday is a school day.

[VWKev]

Ok, VW are wrong, your right. What's more, you've kept face in the forum and you havent agreed that its still a safety feature and bypassed that altogether.

Normal service has resumed.

VW are clever how they word things...it's marketing bullsh!t designed to fool peiople that don't understand.

You don't understand how it works - despite a link to Bosch's website explaining - so you can't counter the argument...so resort to spitting the dummy.
You know Kev, you really do know a lot less then you seem to think.

ESP is a Safety Feature, like ABS.
EDL was sold as a traction control feature, as is XDS.

You don't need to be a genuis here Kev...just to go and find out how things work...there is no harm in not knowing everything...everyday is a school day.

Honestly thats an amazing reply, completely put in my place, I dont have an answer for it, and I wish I had wrote that myself. And to top it all off, you'll look really cool to the others. If you dont, your defo cool to me.

[Aidy06]

It doesn't matter how much you paid for the car, they all look the same after the wreck  

[Ess_Three]

I dont have an answer for it,

Why don't I believe that?

And to top it all off, you'll look really cool to the others. If you dont, your defo cool to me.

I really couldn't care about looking cool...I don't care if you understand how it works, or not...but to try telling others how it works - incorrectly  - isn't doing anyone any favours.

You call it what you want...Safety Feature, Traction Control feature...call it a Coffee maker for all I care.
But don't tell it as gospel, if it's wrong.

People can read up about XDS, ESP and ABS and come to their own conclusions.
Those of us who make their living in measurement/control understand how the systems interface.

[VWKev]

Ok, VW are wrong, your right. What's more, you've kept face in the forum and you havent agreed that its still a safety feature and bypassed that altogether.

Normal service has resumed.

VW are clever how they word things...it's marketing bullsh!t designed to fool peiople that don't understand.

You don't understand how it works - despite a link to Bosch's website explaining - so you can't counter the argument...so resort to spitting the dummy.
You know Kev, you really do know a lot less then you seem to think.

ESP is a Safety Feature, like ABS.
EDL was sold as a traction control feature, as is XDS.

You don't need to be a genuis here Kev...just to go and find out how things work...there is no harm in not knowing everything...everyday is a school day.

Honestly thats an amazing reply, completely put in my place, I dont have an answer for it, and I wish I had wrote that myself. And to top it all off, you'll look really cool to the others. If you dont, your defo cool to me.

Oh just one other thing, your driving your shopping car to your fav supermarket, merrily minding your business on your wives head as she tries to find your nob to sook it but she gives up, and as you look up you spot a 5 yo girl on the road.... now your doing maybe 60 or so, you break and turn to avoid her. It might not even be a little girl, it could be a tree, who cares.... so you've turned, and instead of XDS helping  (notice how I said help, I never said its definately going to but it will help)  you keep glued to the ground you skid and whack the girl or tree. Is XDS not giving you the extra bit of help to avoid that situation ? I know I dont know as much as I'd like to think I do, so I'm sure you'll pick what you need out of this paragraph to make another damning response, but don't, as I say, your cool.

[matchboy]

your driving your shopping car to your fav supermarket,

 

[R32UK]

XDS aint gonna help you there pal!! 

not unlesss you just want to hit the girl a little quicker and get it all over and done with for her faster 

[VWKev]

your driving your shopping car to your fav supermarket,

 

I'm glad these little touches dont go un-noticed. 

[VWKev]

XDS aint gonna help you there pal!! 

not unlesss you just want to hit the girl a little quicker and get it all over and done with for her faster 

So XDS wont keep you planted on the ground better when cornering ?