Common accepted way of getting more power?

[Wayne]

Realistically I don't think you will get 200bhp from an 8v without turbo or supercharger and other work.

From a 16v you will need headwork, cams, matchporting inlet and exhaust manifolds, individual throttle bodies, stand alone management, remap etc. Cost you about 2 to 3k to do it properly. £300 porting, £300 cams, ITB's £600, management and associated bits £1000, remap £250 all approx.

As Wayne says cheaper and easier to go for a 1.8 turbo lump and have it remapped.

Paul

The 16v will be more efficient and reliable and 200bhp is easily achievable.
The 1.8t will have to run at a higher boost and that can blow turbos! And its not just a remap!

So easily achievable and cheap then. 

[Len]

Yea easy! Bolt on stuff mainly!
Stage 3 or whatever head. (inc. cams/valves etc.)
Throttle bodies and a new chip!

Never said it wouldnt cost!

[Paul86S2]

Realistically I don't think you will get 200bhp from an 8v without turbo or supercharger and other work.

From a 16v you will need headwork, cams, matchporting inlet and exhaust manifolds, individual throttle bodies, stand alone management, remap etc. Cost you about 2 to 3k to do it properly. £300 porting, £300 cams, ITB's £600, management and associated bits £1000, remap £250 all approx.

As Wayne says cheaper and easier to go for a 1.8 turbo lump and have it remapped.

Paul

The 16v will be more efficient and reliable and 200bhp is easily achievable.
The 1.8t will have to run at a higher boost and that can blow turbos! And its not just a remap!

So easily achievable and cheap then. 

It will take you 2 to £3k to break the 200bhp barrier on a 16v, but you can get very close to 200bhp for a lot less money.

Headwork and manifold porting £300, inlet cam £150, remap £250, and a few other little bits. So for under a £1000 you could get to nearly 200bhp on a valver.

To swap to a turbo engine will cost you the price of the engine and ancilliaries, plus extra for the parts for the conversion, and you will have the added bonus of having to replace your turbo in the future, sooner rather than later if you have it remapped.

Engine swops make no sense, tuning an 8v, 16v, or VR6 makes no sense, go and buy a car thats got what you want straight from the factory, save the money and hassle. If we all thought like this we would all be driving around in the same car and the world would be a boring place.

Modifying, tuning, engine swops, customising are all what makes the car scene more interesting, if no-one did it the magazines and shows would be very boring - looking at and reading about standard cars as they came out of the factory.

Some people are polishers (not my cup of tea), some people want the best mechanically, some are just happy to drive the car as it is, each to their own, neither of the first two ways make financial sense. Owning a car can become a passion and getting rid of that car can become hard to do, thats why people spend more money on converting that car either cosmetically or mechanically.

Just my take on things

Paul

PS Len you drive the right car engine wise but lose those blue lights.

[Wayne]

^^Spot on advice

[Len]

Thanks Paul, but blue lights stay!

Changing an engine is no problem. Done it many times, like for like.
I just think start with the base vehicle you want then modify in stages.

[danny_p]

well in next couple of weeks i'm off down the rolling road,  see how much more the 16v needs to get past 200

why am i tuneing a 16V  because i like them, allways have.  i like NA 16v's   and love boosted ones  just cant really afford to build one to the spec i would end up building it to.  20v's  can make power but thet feel a bit flat and meh.  also playing on track with oe turbo choudl get expensive i think so i'll just settel for less power and brake less  

[Wayne]

Thanks Paul, but blue lights stay!

Changing an engine is no problem. Done it many times, like for like.
I just think start with the base vehicle you want then modify in stages.

Not always as simple and easy as that. 

[Paul86S2]

Thanks Paul, but blue lights stay!

As I say each to their own - I wouldn't want you to change them because of my opinion.

Paul

[Reasty]

Can you not get close to 200bhp on a 16v by having a mk3 2ltr bottom end with kr head and cams and a four branch manifold i was told this would give around 180bhp on its own when i was looking into it? and im sure this could be done for under a grand??

[Khare]

Can you not get close to 200bhp on a 16v by having a mk3 2ltr bottom end with kr head and cams and a four branch manifold i was told this would give around 180bhp on its own when i was looking into it? and im sure this could be done for under a grand??

180hp is half way to 200hp, 160hp is what the abf produces from factory....

getting the first 20hp is not that hard or expensive, but its getting those last 20hp that will prove harder and much more expensive.