Author Topic: Just seen the new GTI on the road for the first time!!  (Read 23410 times)

Offline AlanD

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Re: Just seen the new GTI on the road for the first time!!
« Reply #60 on: 23 July 2009, 17:03 »
i had the 2.0 litre - that was slow!  t

lol that would be why then. I had one of them before the MK5, lovely car and all speced etc but that 2.0 8v is a pile of toilet wank !

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Re: Just seen the new GTI on the road for the first time!!
« Reply #61 on: 23 July 2009, 17:19 »
yup!  i could run faster lol!
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Re: Just seen the new GTI on the road for the first time!!
« Reply #62 on: 23 July 2009, 17:28 »
If going by Clarksons comments on the Top Gear review, it actually sounds like he was rating the Pug much higher than the GTI but he was building it up to knock it down. He thought the Golf was a more balanced car overall.

If you listen to what he said, the only reason he gave for preferring the Golf was that it was available in a 5-door version.  (I could have understood it if he'd down-rated the Pug because of the oversteer, but he actually praised that!)

Having lived with the car for 11 years, and having compared it to both the Mk III (at the time) and the Mk VI (now), I can say that it has all the other virtues Clarkson praised the Mk IV for - the huge boot, the neatly-folding split back seats, the air conditioning, the trip meter, everything.  It even has rain-sensing automatic wipers, which the Golf didn't, back then.

If he'd said, "that oversteer is frankly dangerous, don't go near it," then fine.  But he said, "that oversteer makes the car the best friend you'll ever have.  But buy the Golf because it comes in a five-door version."  Since when was five doors the make-or-break criterion for a hot hatch?  He was obviously struggling to make excuses for the Golf because he loved the earlier models so much.

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Re: Just seen the new GTI on the road for the first time!!
« Reply #63 on: 23 July 2009, 18:12 »
I first read Clarkson when I was a teenager and he was a new columnist in (I think it was) Performance Car magazine. Clarkson either makes his point like a jack hammer or speaks in riddles where you have to read between the lines. I haven't re-watched that clip since it was on TG many moons ago and can't at the moment 'cos me internet connection is ballsed for some reason but I think he was alluding(sp) to the fact that the Pug was more fun but the Golf easier to live with (hence the 5 door comment). Oversteer is downright dangerous on the public roads anyhow, fine if you're on a track and know how to drive properly, which I don't.

Stop getting misty eyed about 306s Morag, face up to it, you've consigned the poor thing to the crusher...... :cry:
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Re: Just seen the new GTI on the road for the first time!!
« Reply #64 on: 23 July 2009, 18:16 »
i had the 2.0 litre - that was slow!  t

lol that would be why then. I had one of them before the MK5, lovely car and all speced etc but that 2.0 8v is a pile of toilet wank !

Nicely phrased Alan! I think?  :lipsrsealed:
The 2.0 8v and even worse the NA 1.8 20V was never called a GTI in the Fatherland, it was a Golf Sport. We had it in the UK 'cos VW UK know we're a bunch of badge snob suckers. IMO!
The only proper mk4 GTI was the 1.8T, which just happened to have the steering from a ship and the suspension from a hovercraft. Should've been the other way round maybe?
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Re: Just seen the new GTI on the road for the first time!!
« Reply #65 on: 23 July 2009, 19:31 »
I think he was alluding(sp) to the fact that the Pug was more fun but the Golf easier to live with (hence the 5 door comment). Oversteer is downright dangerous on the public roads anyhow, fine if you're on a track and know how to drive properly, which I don't.

Well, you can see from my other posts that I'm not a boy racer, and I'm far keener on "easy to live with" than "fun".  That was part of the reason for getting rid of the XR2 - it was a little bit too much "fun", and it honestly wasn't the right image.  The Peugeot is nothing like that.  It looks like any normal car.  It's so easy to live with that it's practically having to be prised from my cold dead hands right now.  Apart from the oversteer (which didn't seem to be an issue for Clarkson), and the 5-door option, there wasn't a single thing mentioned about the Mk IV that wasn't equally true for the Peugeot.  You can get half of Ikea in it.  I've moved house twice with it, and a more willing and capacious workhorse I simply couldn't have asked for.  (I'm actually mildly concerned that the Mk VI might not be quite so big in its load capacity - I know it will take the wheelchair but I'm taking the bicycle on trust....)

I wasn't aware of the oversteer thing, because it's never done it to me.  Probably because I don't drive round corners like that.  Just as well, really!  (It did spin off the road once when I hit what I can only assume was black ice on a roundabout, fortunately coming to rest on a patch of grass upright and without hitting anything, but I don't know that any other car would have handled that one any better.)  In a way, it was probably more suited to me, wanting the power for overtaking on the straight and fast travel on clear roads, rather than someone into mad cornering.

Now, should I give mad cornering a try when I get the Mk VI?    :laugh:

Stop getting misty eyed about 306s Morag, face up to it, you've consigned the poor thing to the crusher...... :cry:
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Oh, don't go on about it.  :cry:  I know this is the right time to change, because it's simply not worth spending any more money on it, and do I really want to go on another year with no aircon, and a wonky passenger seat, and a gearbox slipping out of third, and a sunroof letting in a bit, and a scratch on one wing?  And nobody is going to give me £2,000 for it in another year.  But it's still running like an absolute cracker, starts first turn of the key, leaves most other things standing....  :cry:

The fact that the Mk VI is so totally and comprehensively gorgeous is the only thing reconciling me to this!

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Re: Just seen the new GTI on the road for the first time!!
« Reply #66 on: 23 July 2009, 19:43 »
It's not that gorgeous it has the arse of a 2004 toureg and Monza alloys that have been around for 5 years. It's a shame because it could have been something special instead it smacks of VW development  penny pinching.

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Re: Just seen the new GTI on the road for the first time!!
« Reply #67 on: 23 July 2009, 19:56 »
Just seen one in white on the motorway on 17" alloys. Not too keen but I didn't like the mk5 when it was first released. Just looked like every other mk6 Golf I have seen but with GTI badges and a twin exit exhaust :(

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Re: Just seen the new GTI on the road for the first time!!
« Reply #68 on: 23 July 2009, 22:49 »
Heathen.  No way does the GTI look anything like a normal mark 6.  It's an all round nicer looking car and the split exhausts just add to that great look.  You are probably just jealous cos you've not got one. :grin:
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Re: Just seen the new GTI on the road for the first time!!
« Reply #69 on: 23 July 2009, 23:34 »
Not really, would rather have a Scirocco. Whats different about the GTI to the normal one then?

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