Manual or DSG?

[R32UK]

I dont doubt that dsg is better round a track for an average driver. however I think a pro will be able to produce equally impressive results.

My problem with the dsg is simply that it puts people into lazy mode.. whats the point in buying a "fun hot hatch" then taking the "fun" away??

might as well buy something else...  Obviously those who live and drive in built up areas, you are slightly forgiven

[VWKev]

All you luddites will be dragged kicking and screaming into the 21st century eventually! The day is fast approaching where manuals will be reserved for top end performance/niche models only. You can't stop the march of technology.

Vive la revolution!

another 30 yrs or so and I will be in the prime dsg age bracket anyway 

 

Another good vid here --> http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LROqVLz4z8M. Think someone mentioned it earlier in this thread.

Hopefully it might convince some of you non-believers that the DSG is a serious piece of kit and not some gimmick, or oldsmobile auto box.

0.4 secs faster and £1500 more expensive. For a third of that money, you could get a remap. Blow the DSG away and have £1000 in your pocket.

[Max Q]

But that's just the thing R32UK - for me and I dare say a lot of others, it doesn't take away the fun. I still really enjoy the DSG box and find it still puts a smile on my face. I don't miss my old manual cars at all, and I really don't think I'd ever go back to a manual. The box is so versatile and has a 'mode for every mood'. If I'm driving to work in busy traffic or just feel like a lazy drive I stick it in D, when I want a sportier, more aggressive shift pattern I stick it in sport, and when I want to be more involved or when out on the twisties I drive it in manual and it's a howl.

[R32UK]

But that's just the thing R32UK - for me and I dare say a lot of others, it doesn't take away the fun. I still really enjoy the DSG box and find it still puts a smile on my face. I don't miss my old manual cars at all, and I really don't think I'd ever go back to a manual. The box is so versatile and has a 'mode for every mood'. If I'm driving to work in busy traffic or just feel like a lazy drive I stick it in D, when I want a sportier, more aggressive shift pattern I stick it in sport, and when I want to be more involved or when out on the twisties I drive it in manual and it's a howl.

I guess thats why its almost a perfect 50/50 split when it comes to new golf orders!

[Jkctr]

All you luddites will be dragged kicking and screaming into the 21st century eventually! The day is fast approaching where manuals will be reserved for top end performance/niche models only. You can't stop the march of technology.

Vive la revolution!

another 30 yrs or so and I will be in the prime dsg age bracket anyway 

 

Another good vid here --> http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LROqVLz4z8M. Think someone mentioned it earlier in this thread.

Hopefully it might convince some of you non-believers that the DSG is a serious piece of kit and not some gimmick, or oldsmobile auto box.

0.4 secs faster and £1500 more expensive. For a third of that money, you could get a remap. Blow the DSG away and have £1000 in your pocket.

Seeing as DSG's are more sought after for second hand models you will be better off keeping that £1000 for when you sell it on 

[R32UK]

All you luddites will be dragged kicking and screaming into the 21st century eventually! The day is fast approaching where manuals will be reserved for top end performance/niche models only. You can't stop the march of technology.

Vive la revolution!

another 30 yrs or so and I will be in the prime dsg age bracket anyway 

 

Another good vid here --> http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LROqVLz4z8M. Think someone mentioned it earlier in this thread.

Hopefully it might convince some of you non-believers that the DSG is a serious piece of kit and not some gimmick, or oldsmobile auto box.

0.4 secs faster and £1500 more expensive. For a third of that money, you could get a remap. Blow the DSG away and have £1000 in your pocket.

Seeing as DSG's are more sought after for second hand models you will be better off keeping that £1000 for when you sell it on 

Your probably right about the second hand ones being sought after.. only you will be very lucky to see your £1000 back. Not to mention that the incompetence of dealerships will probably add to the number of problems we see with dsg in future.

[howlingmoon]

Hi,

I think having the DSG in a spanking new car is fine. But if it were me, I would not get a DSG after the car is more than 5 years old. I am pretty certain that maintenance and issues with it will start to crop in after 5 years. So I would still go for a manual car for long term savings. This is not to say I am against people in getting the DSG in their new car. Its just that I am balancing long term use over ease of use in the short term.

I would wait for a few more years until reliablility issues with the DSG is fully ironed out. Considering commercial introduction of the DSG was only made in 2008, the technology needs to mature a little longer before I am confident in it.

HM

[Rolfe]

I've no intention of letting a dealer maintain my new car.  There is a small independent garage in the village where I live, and when I switched the Peugeot to him after nine years of dealer service, it was like a different car.  And he's cheaper.  (And the garage is 10 minutes walk from my house and there is a bus stop outside that can take me to work.)  So we'll see.

If it does turn out to be a liability, I've always got the option of changing at that stage, and put it down to experience.  But having read all the discussion, I'm up for giving it a go!

Rolfe.

[Max Q]

I would wait for a few more years until reliablility issues with the DSG is fully ironed out. Considering commercial introduction of the DSG was only made in 2008, the technology needs to mature a little longer before I am confident in it.

HM

What reliability issues are you referring to? The DSG box has proven to be extremely robust and reliable, as much so as the manual. I have mine over a year and a half and it hasn't skipped a beat yet, and my car is putting out a lot more than 200bhp. I've only ever read of one problem on an internet forum (may have been this one?) where someone's mechatronics unit failed and was replaced under warranty. I've also seen plenty of the manual boys complaining of clutch issues such as slip, and indeed failures. This DSG reliability issue that some people keep referring to is a red-herring IMO.

And for the record DSG was introduced with the Mk5 in 2005. It's been around for four years now. That's pretty mature technology in my book. VW/Audi would have ditched it if it wasn't up to the job. Instead they are continuing to develop the technology with the new 7 speeds and higher torque versions etc..

[Jkctr]

DSG since 2008? The 7 speed was introduced then not DSG  Think you have made up issues that dont exist to put yourself off mate. There are 0 known issues, absoloutly nothing wrong or commonly wrong with DSG. The only times i have heard of it failing are due to too much power (like any clutch) or not having oil replaced.

DSG has been around since before 2003 iirc, thats 6 years and still no issues.