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Re: Tyres
« Reply #50 on: 18 August 2009, 14:34 »
TT what do you think about the bridgestone potenzas that came on my gti?
Sad that i have not got my Astra VXR Nurburgring anymore but well happy with my Mk6 GTi, much better car

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Re: Tyres
« Reply #51 on: 18 August 2009, 14:34 »
I would take it easy with the dunflops on tbh. I had a bit of an emergency breaking situation yesterday and Im very glad i had the F1 eagles on! :shocked:

Had it been the dunlops im quite sure i WOULD have written off my car. Dont skimp, its a flase economy :nerd:

Or you could drive sensibly. if you're putting yourself in the situation where you could write off your car you're not driving properly, and it wouldnt be the tyres fault if you crashed it would be yours.

Well technically, yes.  But the whole 'ethos' of the Mk5 and Mk6 GTI is its awesome chassis and handling abilities - and this was ably demonstrated when the Mk5 was launched, and Top Gear and Fifth Gear sung its praises.  But those intitial batch of GTIs only came with either Michelin Pilot Exalto PE2 (17s), Michelin Pilot Sport PS2 (18s), or a special batch of hand-made ContiSportContacts.  And when I first tested a whole load of early Mk5s - that is all they had for rubber.

Imagine then when you eventually take delivery, and expect it to handle like Clarkson demonstrated, only to find it DOESN'T - simply because of the shyte Dunlops!
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Re: Tyres
« Reply #52 on: 18 August 2009, 14:44 »
Which do proper tests though.

No they don't!  A massive part of the Which 'evaluation' is price - so according to them, an £80 Dunlop is much better than a £150 Michelin!  And another part of their evaluation is based on 'availability' - so if there happens to be half a dozen massive container ships full of cheap crap Chinese tyres, compared to say limited availability Yokohama AVS Sport (which actually ain't too bad) - the lethal Chinese tyres will win. :sick:

Sorry, but if you rely on Which for automotive issues, then you are a fool - they always seem to report that a Kia Sedona is better than say an Audi A4 or a BMW 3 series - or a Mazda 3 is better than a VW Golf or Audi A3 - sorry, but Which are off their rocker when dealing with automotive issues.  Just use Which for what they are best at - washing machines, toasters and steam irons - and leave more techincal automotive issues to peeps who actually have some genuine interest and passion in the subject in question.

You dont.

Is that a statment of fact, or a matter of opinion?  Either way, you are very wrong!  :rolleyes:
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Re: Tyres
« Reply #53 on: 18 August 2009, 14:46 »
i'm gonna try to get them swapped if they turn up with dunlops - they sound shocking!

Sorry, but you will have no chance.  I previously lodged a formal complaint with Volkswagen UK CS - but they just stated they were EU-approved, and therefore fit for purpose - though they did also admit to having lots of complaints about them!
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Re: Tyres
« Reply #54 on: 18 August 2009, 14:51 »
i'm gonna try to get them swapped if they turn up with dunlops - they sound shocking!

Sorry, but you will have no chance.  I previously lodged a formal complaint with Volkswagen UK CS - but they just stated they were EU-approved, and therefore fit for purpose - though they did also admit to having lots of complaints about them!

well i'll certainly give it a go if they turn up on dunlops.  where there is a will there's a way.  and in my experience if you treat people with some respect and be nice sometimes you get something back.   in this case i would be hoping for some goodwill on the part of my dealer with a change of tyre.
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Re: Tyres
« Reply #55 on: 18 August 2009, 14:53 »
though they did also admit to having lots of complaints about them!

So lots of their customers are complaing about this problem and they do ........... nothing, ffs :rolleyes:

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Re: Tyres
« Reply #56 on: 18 August 2009, 14:55 »
i had sp sport maxx on my astra vxr and they were top notch especially when i was going around the nurburgring and they certainly never suffered from static deformation

Dunlops don't do that all the time.  There are two particular scenarios which cause this - the weight of the car (and I think the Astra VXR edition is quite a bit lighter than the GTI), and temperatures.  The Yanks in some of the hotter states seemed to report it more often, whereas Alaskans, Canadians, and us here in chilly Blighty didn't seem to be affected nowhere near as badly.

I actually found static deformation to be worse on my RS4 when it had Pirellis, though I did also experience it on the GTI during a particularly hot heatwave.  Anyway, static deformation is very easy to cure - you simply need to increase the tyre pressures over and above what it says on the fuel flap sticker.  Sadly, some peeps seem to have some kind of 'old skool' mental block about tyre pressures - stating BS like you should never go above 28 psi, and that 32 psi is just 'way too high'!  :rolleyes:  When I had the Dunflops, I just increased the fronts to 46 psi, and the rears to 38 psi (for 'normal' loads) - and I never suffered that issue again.

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Re: Tyres
« Reply #57 on: 18 August 2009, 15:15 »
you say don't skimp, but surely after paying 27k for a car you can't then go out and buy brand new tyres for it - it should come with tyres that can cope with all situations!

Huh, are you for real?  Twenty seven thousand pounds on a new car - but you then don't think you ought to spend an extra £500 on a decent set of boots!  What if you stuffed your car into a hedge, or lamp post or dry stone wall - simply because your tyres let you down - and then wrote off the car!  Dunlops could quite easily do that - but with more 'suitable' tyres, you would have a massively improved chance of missing said objects.  OK, a change of underwear might be required, but your car would be intact!

And for the record, I have personally ditched shyte tyres on two brand new cars (actually, one was a dealer demo) - with better boots when they were virtually new.  First ocasion was on a Vectra GSI which had Yokohoma AVS S1Z, and the second was on my RS4 with Pirelli P-Zero Rossos.  The Yokos went after less than a 1000 miles, and the Pirellies lasted just 4k miles - and on both cars, the handling was massively improved.

Don't get me wrong, the Dunlops arn't 'dangerous' (like the Yokos and Pirellis were  :angry:), but they are seriously 'inferior' - particularly when Dunlops are marketed as a 'premium' brand tyre.  You could sort of accept shyte handling if you purchased some £30 'Nippon No-Grips' from China, but Dunlop . . .  :sick: :sick:

But saying all this, if you are one of the few who purchase a GTI just for the 'pose factor' - and never have any intention of using the GTI for what it is made for, then the Dunlops will be perfectly acceptable.

HTH

A. you missed my point.  what i meant was when you are shelling out that kind of money on a car, you expect the tyres to be the best.  i'm not saying i wouldn't change them, i'm saying that i would expect them to be tip top when i picked the car up.

OK, thanks for clarifying. :afro:  And I wholeheartedly agree that the car should have the best tyres.  But sadly, we all need to accept that Volkswagen are just a 'mass market' manufacturer, and that the GTI is just 'another' model in their wider car range.  Yes, yes, yes - WE all know that the GTI is much more than that - but in the global issue at Volkswagen Group - it aint.  Which is why the GTI is supplied with quite a wide range of boots.  But if you genuinely want a true 'sports car', or a car with much more control on crucial items such as tyres, then you seriously need to be looking at an Audi 'S' or 'RS' car, or a Porsche or a BMW 'M' car - but then you'd be paying a shed load more wonga - and one heck of a lot more than say £500 for a set of uber decent boots!


B. i can actually drive.  i certainly won't end up in a hedge or a lamp post - i'll leave that to chavs in sh!t cars.

I'm sorry, but no matter how talented the driver, you can NOT overcome the laws of physics.  If/when your tyres let you down, even the finest professional drivers in the world (of road cars or race cars) can overcome shyte tyres.  Just look back to how Lewis Hamilton lost the WC in 2007 due to shagged tyres on his McLaren, yet the same scenario favoured him at Brazil 2008, when Jarno Trulis tyres were shot.

So unless you are some multiple world rally champion or F1 champion, I, with the highest possible respect and friendship, suggest you 'smell the coffee'.  :smiley: :smiley: :smiley: :smiley:


C. even though you don't know me and i know you weren't having a go, i'm actually offended by the whole "never have the intention of using the GTI for what it is made for" comment!  i drive hard but safe, and it really winds me up when i see a GTI going at 60mph on the motorway - buy a micra if you want to drive like a pussy.  don't get me wrong, i enjoy the way the car looks and people looking at it, but its certainly not my primary reason for buying it so i can drive round the town centre all day posing.  its meant to be driven, and it certainly will be i can promise you.

Sorry, I certainly didn't mean to adress that comment at anyone in person, including you - but we all know it does happen.  And whilst there may be a real genuine reason to drive like Miss Daisy - such as you already have 11 points on your licence, for the most part - I bet a good 50-70% of GTI owners (and other similar cars) never, EVER get driven to anywhere near their capabilities!
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Re: Tyres
« Reply #58 on: 18 August 2009, 15:16 »
Oh no, not a chance, the F1s aren't exactly cheap either :( but as with most things in this world, you get what you pay for.

Are the Dunlops really that bad? The Conti Sports would be my preferred tyre if I had the choice of them or the Dunlops.

ContiSports are better than Dunlops, but they arn't as good as Mich or GY.  Contis are really best suited to heaver, larger autobhan-stormers, such as Audi A8/S8s, Merc S-Class, or BMW 7 Series - and they are rock-steady at 170mph - but they arn't really the best for a sweet-handling hot hatch.  Contis can also be a touch noisy, and a touch harsh on ride comfort too, though again better than the Dunflops.

I can quite agree with TT... My ContiSports 3 are noisy but am not sure about ride comfort though... Need to drive moar!!

Are yours 17 or 18" rims?
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Re: Tyres
« Reply #59 on: 18 August 2009, 15:18 »
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