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Offline phatsam2003

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Re: Castrol Magnatec or Mobil Super S ?
« Reply #10 on: 19 February 2009, 20:00 »
Sorry to hi jack the thread.......

lol I'm not gonna argue, seeing as you seem to know your oil!!!

I was told it was the other way round

sorry  :rolleyes:

No worries.  :wink:  :smiley:

Sadly, Mobil spend far more on marketing and advertsing than they do on actual R&D - a well-known concern in the oil industry.  I could ask what you know about Fuchs oils - these are some of THE best oils in the world, yet many peeps have never heard of them, because they don't really advertise.

Would you recommend using fuchs in my 97 agg gti 84000 miles?

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Re: Castrol Magnatec or Mobil Super S ?
« Reply #11 on: 19 February 2009, 21:33 »
Magnatec FTW!

Tell you why I say this, had my other car run dry from a leaking bottom hose. Engine didnt sieze and I put that soley down to the oil.
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Re: Castrol Magnatec or Mobil Super S ?
« Reply #12 on: 19 February 2009, 22:14 »
what does FTW mean? i know i sound daft.
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Re: Castrol Magnatec or Mobil Super S ?
« Reply #13 on: 19 February 2009, 22:15 »
what does FTW mean? i know i sound daft.

FTW= for the win  :wink:

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Re: Castrol Magnatec or Mobil Super S ?
« Reply #14 on: 19 February 2009, 22:16 »
ok, so Magnatec it is then! thanks for the help and advice
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Re: Castrol Magnatec or Mobil Super S ?
« Reply #15 on: 20 February 2009, 08:49 »
i use the mobil stuff, not because of any media, or being told otherwise. Just becuase it does the job, and cant see why i should change. Its not an highly tuned engine that needs exact components.

Its a 12 year old 8v golf gti, with 125k on the clock. lol

I'm not saying Mobil oils are bad, and they clearly do the job, particularly in your instance.  :smiley:  But you sort of hit the nail on the head - yours isn't a highly tuned engine.  Maybe you should take a trip to a race circuit on a mid-week test or Friday-practice day, ideally when the BTCC or BSB are there.  :cool:  Have a mooch round the back of the paddock garages, ask a few mechanics, and look for what oils they actually put in the engines.  You will not see Mobil, but you will see a large majority of either Castrol or Fuchs Titan in cars, and Castrol, Motul, Fuchs Silkolene or Rock oils in bikes.  Maybe that would give you food for thought.  :wink:

All I am trying to say is that Mobil are not as good as they would have you believe - and this is simply down to the inferior basestocks which Mobil, along with virually all the American orginated oils use.  And as I said, the European Union have made it illegal for the basestocks which the yanks use to be classed as 'synthetic'.  A true dictonary (and encyclopaedic) definition of 'synthetic' simply means 'man-made' - so digging up some million year old dinosoar mineral oil, then refining it and re-refining it is NOT man-made - yet this is what a Group3 basestock is, and is exactly what the yanks use as 'synthetic'.  A true, geniune synthetic has to be man-made - in laboratories, with boffins wearing white coats, geeky goggles and kinky rubber gloves - and these true synthetics are either Group4 basestocks (called Polyalphaoelefins - PAOs), or Group5 basestocks (called Esters, and also include Ester derivatives, such as di-esters, tri-esters, etc).  :nerd:

At the end of the day, it is true that 'you pays your money, and you makes your choice' - but sadly, marketing does seriously skew the myth from the facts, and furthermore, Mobil oils are generally way overpriced compared to genuinely similar oils.  Oh, and by purchasing Mobil oils, you are actually proping up the US economy, when I think we need to be looking after companies much closer to home!  :wink:
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Re: Castrol Magnatec or Mobil Super S ?
« Reply #16 on: 20 February 2009, 09:05 »
Castol FTW!

They are British??
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Re: Castrol Magnatec or Mobil Super S ?
« Reply #17 on: 20 February 2009, 09:09 »
Sorry to hi jack the thread.......

lol I'm not gonna argue, seeing as you seem to know your oil!!!

I was told it was the other way round

sorry  :rolleyes:

No worries.  :wink:  :smiley:

Sadly, Mobil spend far more on marketing and advertsing than they do on actual R&D - a well-known concern in the oil industry.  I could ask what you know about Fuchs oils - these are some of THE best oils in the world, yet many peeps have never heard of them, because they don't really advertise.

Would you recommend using fuchs in my 97 agg gti 84000 miles?

Yup, Fuchs oils are very, very good.  If you want a fully synthetic oil, then maybe the Fuchs Titan SuperSyn 5w40 would be ideal.  It has VW 502.00 and 505.00 approvals, has a high ACEA petrol rating (A3) and an even higher diesel rating (B4), and is also officially aproved by BMW, Porsche and Mercedes.  And just incase anyone wasn't aware, Fuchs also make Unipart oils, so at a Partco near you, the Unipart Fully Synthetic 5w/40 is idential to the Fuchs Titan SuperSyn 5w40.  :wink:

Or for a really good semi-synthetic made by Fuchs, try the Unipart Semi-Synthetic 10W/40, again, the same ACEA ratings as the fully synthetic ones listed above, but has the lower VW 500.00 petrol engine rating (but still has the diesel 505.00) - and it is still suitable for turbo engines.

When choosing engine oils, there are two very crucial 'points' to consider though.  Firstly, the actual engine under the bonnet - is a moderate performer, os is it high powered?  Has it been modified?  Is it tight, or is it rattly and worn and smokey?  Turbo or non-turbo.  Carburettor, manifold fuel injected, or combustion chamber direct injected?  Petrol or oil burner diesel?  :evil:

And the second point is your actual driving style.  Do you 'drive like Miss Daisy', or are you a budding Lewis Hamilton?  Throw all these different variables in the 'melting pot', and your actual choice of oils, along with the oil change interval can vary quite considerably.  :nerd:
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Re: Castrol Magnatec or Mobil Super S ?
« Reply #18 on: 20 February 2009, 09:13 »
Magnatec FTW!

Tell you why I say this, had my other car run dry from a leaking bottom hose. Engine didnt sieze and I put that soley down to the oil.

Yup, and that is the benefit of the Esters which Castrol use in Magnatec - they really do 'cling' to the metal parts of the engine 'like a magnet'.  This is technically called 'boundary lubrication', and this really sorts out the decent oils from the pretenders.  And even on an otherwise perfectly healthy engine, this 'boundary lubrication' occurs every morning when you start from cold, particularly on overhead cams.
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Re: Castrol Magnatec or Mobil Super S ?
« Reply #19 on: 20 February 2009, 09:14 »
Castol FTW!

They are British??

Yup, good for you Len for flying the flag! :afro:
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