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Offline tinman

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Re:16v or 8v
« Reply #220 on: 26 April 2004, 18:22 »
Is Tinman goin to Inters?

yeah. i'll be there on the sunday. but i probably wont be taking the 16v though. sorry.

maybe next year.

Offline Dragon6

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Re:16v or 8v
« Reply #221 on: 26 April 2004, 18:28 »
http://www.carsurvey.org/review_35435.html
that sums up both models end of...

Offline Zoid

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Re:16v or 8v
« Reply #222 on: 26 April 2004, 18:49 »
Yo all you mk2 8v owners, at least you all have the satisfaction that your cars will beat a mk3 8v to 60, even if it is by a mere 0.5 second.
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I don?t know where you are getting your figures from but I can?t see how they are correct, so far you?ve only been able to quote the drivers manual which I admit lists 0-60 of 10.0 seconds. However I know for a fact the 8v is quicker than that, all other VW literature I?ve come across lists the 0-60 time as 8.3 seconds



You only need to do a few searches on the net to see what you come up with?.

http://www.albeedigital.com/supercoupe/articles/0-60times.html
http://www.veedubz.co.za/tech/vwhist.htm

Note the 16v has 1.55% more torque and 15.92% more power based on the weight ratio, hardly a massive difference.



Even if you ignore gearing and torque and just use power, let's say the 16v does 0-60 in 7.9 seconds, due to 8v giving away 15.92% in power would you not expect the 8v to be at worst 15.92 slower, which would give us a time of  9.2 seconds. This is a very basic calculation I know, however it indicates that the time of 10.0 seconds quoted in the manual is wrong.

I have no argument with the fact that the 16v is faster, of course it is, however the 8v is not as slow as you keep trying to make out?.

golfvr6

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Re:16v or 8v
« Reply #223 on: 26 April 2004, 18:49 »
Well not really...

A vr6 has low down torque
A 1.8 8v will never produce very much torque low down

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Re:16v or 8v
« Reply #224 on: 26 April 2004, 18:53 »
I have driven a couple of digifant 8v's, and i would say 10 secs is about right.
VW quote 10.9 secs 0-60 for the mk3 8v in the 1994 owners manual.
Of course mk3 8v owners claim it is much faster than that...

The 16v is AT LEAST 1.5 secs quicker to 60 than the 8v.
Its torque at high revs that really counts when it comes down to performance.
The 16v has this , the 8v hasn't
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Offline Zoid

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Re:16v or 8v
« Reply #225 on: 26 April 2004, 19:05 »
So in your opinion (NOT factual, subjective based on your experience of driving the 8v) you would estimate a 0-60 time of around 10seconds, correct?
How then do you explain all other VW literature showing the 0-60 time of 8.3, and the fact that I've timed 0-60 well under 10seconds?
Also can you please tell me how long it takes a Mk1 1.8 GTI to do 0-60, considering it weights around 100kg less it should be fairly easy to do the math to get an expected 0-60 time for a Mk2 8v?

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Re:16v or 8v
« Reply #226 on: 26 April 2004, 19:12 »
http://www.carsurvey.org/review_35435.html
that sums up both models end of...

The thing is tin and vr6 would never accept it, even if the team of VW engineers who built the Mk2 GTI said so!
« Last Edit: 26 April 2004, 19:13 by Zoid »

Offline Dragon6

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Re:16v or 8v
« Reply #227 on: 26 April 2004, 19:13 »
wouldnt bother VR6 these lads`ll never listen to u, my m8`s just gettin a shrick inlet  manifold and cams fitted onto his VR6 at the mo  do u think will have a nice portion of low end grunt :)

golfvr6

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Re:16v or 8v
« Reply #228 on: 26 April 2004, 19:32 »
Zoid,
VW says the digifant 8v gets to 60 in 10 secs

Get over it mate  :-*

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Re:16v or 8v
« Reply #229 on: 26 April 2004, 19:33 »
http://www.carsurvey.org/review_35435.html
that sums up both models end of...

The thing is tin and vr6 would never accept it, even if the team of VW engineers who built the Mk2 GTI said so!

The thing is that review WASN'T written by a vw engineer.
Just another joe bloggs no body like you  :D