im not arguing, im stating facts. you are getting stroppy because these facts are not to your liking. and im not agreeing to disagree because i am right and you are wrong.
how is an 8v a better car than the 16v then? explain it to me.
im sorry mate but you are just sounding childish now.
yes - damn those facts - its just childish. people spoil perfectly good arguments with facts. i agree.
how can you try and tell me that you are right and i am wrong without it all sounding like it turning into a joke?
yes - what does a fact have to do with it. a 16v is faster than an 8v, its a fact - but why should you believe a fact. they just spoil things....
i had the choice of buying both cars, i went to my local specialist to get some information on which was the better car(baring in mind i was goin to do some modifications) they sed that they are both excellent cars but the 8valve is better to mod. so i chose the 8 valve on there EXPERT advise.
Call me a cynic - or did they just want to sell that 8v Golf?
OMG - you found the one honest car salesman. Quick, everybody round there today....
im afraid to say we have to agree to disagree because im not entertaining your (im right and your not philosophy).
yes, damn those wretched facts again.... everyone can be right all of the time. Welcome to New Labour.
that kind of attitude is a funny to me

i thougt this was a grown up conversation?
ive given you the number call them and find out 
put that in your pipe and smoke it
no, it was one of those childish conversations where FACTS mean nothing - and its all about making things up...

now where is the sand, i need to bury my head and find the real level of this argument.
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