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have you got the leaflet, would like a look  
my mum just bought the zr 160bhp but shes such a sunday driver - totally wont let me have a go.  

have to admit its a nice car, surprised they need to slag off other manufacturers to sell it tho  

i agree with Rover, they are comparing the figures against the 2.0 non-turbo GTi, which is only 115bhp and weighs about 3 ton

renaults french but 5 turbo is still quick, does it mention that there cars will depriciate, fall apart, look dated quicker as well  

Check the figures, any ZR beats the VW 2.0 GTI.

Sad isn't it?

But this isn't a problem with MG Rover, this is a problem with VW. When super market trolleys are beating the King of Hot Hatches, The VW Golf GTI, is it the trolley at fault or maybe - shock - gasp - the cr*ppy VW?

And lets face it - what the FFFF is a Golf doing sporting the GTI badge with a time of 10.5seconds?!!?!

The whole GTI brand is being made a joke of by VW at the by badging such vehicles.

Ever thought the Escort GTI was a joke - well VW have gone one better. They put the badge on a car that deserved it less than the Escort. At least the Ford manged to make 60 in under 10seconds!!!!

Theres nothing like self depreciating humour. Who'd of though VW would use the same humour on their own vehicles. Cunning, very cunning.

Tin

Its not even as though they're slagging them off - they're making performance comparisons, which is what manufacturers do everyday.

If, as a manufacurer, you aren't allowed to make comparisons against another manufacturers product, be it on the grounds of performance, equipment or quality, how can your put a product in to context?

I think you're over-reacting a little here. I have friends who drive ZR's and ZS's and - like it or loath it - they are genuinely quick cars.

I have personally driven a ZT 190, and whilst its never going to set the road alight (hence the need for the V8 version) it is a quick car.

If there was a ZT 190 and Mk4 2.0 GTi lined up against one another on the strip my money would be on the MG, and so would anyone else's that's actually driven one.