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Re: Ring trips 2008
« Reply #20 on: 13 May 2008, 22:26 »
Got back last night.

Top weekend, but very busy and LOTS of idiots (especially Brits).

If you are going please please PLEASE check your car over VERY carefully if you intend to go out and drive the 'Ring properly, rather than just cruising round (which is very difficult to do anyway).

Key things to check (and replace if they haven't been) include front wishbone bushes.  I had two perfectly good sets of front wishbones when I left to go out there.  Two laps on the 'Ring and I was in a car park stripping the front of my car to get a set of polybushes installed in my wishbones, which was only possible after a lot of hunting and talking to people.

Get your brake fluid replaced.
Get your tracking checked and set
Take spare brake pads and know how to change them!
Check your engine and gearbox for oil leaks - Oil on the track kills bikers and if you drop oil on the track you WILL be charged for the clean up.
Check your tyres before leaving and check the tyre pressures before you go on track and after a couple of laps.

Anyone who's going also needs to remember to check their insurance policy documents as insurers like HIC are particularly unfriendly and shirk their lawful requirements by trying to write policy exclusions into their policies.  Responsibility-dodging scumbags, frankly.

And finally don't try timing your laps, or taking video or pictures while you're out on the track.  It's not legal and if you push too hard to try to 'get a time' you'll quite likely bin your car which hurts wallets and more importantly people.

Don't time your laps, just have fun.  I know I did.
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Re: Ring trips 2008
« Reply #21 on: 16 May 2008, 11:14 »
Anyone who's going also needs to remember to check their insurance policy documents as insurers like HIC are particularly unfriendly and shirk their lawful requirements by trying to write policy exclusions into their policies.  Responsibility-dodging scumbags, frankly.

getting tiring now tbh  :rolleyes:

HIC are a broker, we have tried to arrange a scheme to cover the ring (I would LOVE to do it myself!) but none of our underwriters wish to cover it. Its is perfectly legal and their right to write the exclusions into their policies otherwise they would not do it. These are some large underwriters and are used by a lot of other brokers. We always state when asked that we dont cover the Ring, as you well know seeing as you were told so before you took out a policy and found it was excluded. Did you actually ask your new insurers specifically if they do cover it? Anyway, the moral of the story, always check with your insurers if they cover it.

Apart from that, back on topic, some good advice there and glad the trip went well  :smiley:

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Re: Ring trips 2008
« Reply #22 on: 16 May 2008, 23:24 »
Insurance is centre-square on this topic.  No-one likes to drive uninsured and the potential consequences are appalling.

I find responsibility dodging by UK insurers is very tiring, especially when there is specific European insurance legislation which covers the situation and aims to protect the consumer (that's you Martin), not the big, fat corporation.

Reassuringly and very interestingly if you go to the 'Ring you'll hear a very different story to that which Martin the insurance salesman is trying to tell.  This is from the UK people who live out there, who talk to those UK people who are unfortunate, or stupid enough to bin their car and then have to claim on their third party insurance.  Why?  Because it's not possible for underwriters to slime around European legislation.

The 'Ring is a road, not a racetrack.  Look it says here:



For those struggling to read (or if the image isn't up) the barrier says 'German traffic law is valid.  Keep to right lane.'

You wouldn't know about that sign, Martin as you've told us you've not been out there.

Why does the barrier say this?  Because it's a public road, not a racetrack.  The driving I've done out there is called 'TouristenFahrten' - Tourist Driving.  I don't time myself and I'm racing no-one.  I'm driving one of the most stunning roads in Europe purely for pleasure, which my insurance covers me to do.

So your general insurance will cover you third party, unless you ask your provider and have been specifically recorded as being told that no, you're not covered - then you're into a dodgy situation if they say no (which is the automatic knee-jerk response).

Sure HIC offers insurance from some large underwriters who have been busy writing dodgy clauses into their policy documents, but there is still a goodly spread of insurance underwriters who haven't tried to bolt their policies down in illicit ways to stop delivering consumers their legally enshrined European minimum rights.

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Did you actually ask your new insurers specifically if they do cover it? Anyway, the moral of the story, always check with your insurers if they cover it.

Why would I?  That would be a really dumb question.  I didn't ask if I was covered on any other high risk roads like Route Napoleon in France, or the Stelvio Pass.  I did ask for clarification as to whether I would be covered on the roads where the Le Mans 24hr race is held (I've been for the past couple of years - a top quality event).  You see, sometimes those roads are used as a racetrack and there was an exclusion pertaining to that in my policy that I was concerned about.  I was told provided the road was being used as a road, not a racetrack then OF COURSE I was covered (well DUH!).  It's good that all these conversations are recorded, as what's good for the goose is good for the gander.

The biggest problem is that some UK insurers don't seem to understand European law and some UK underwriters don't understand what the 'Ring is.

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I would LOVE to do it myself!

Well Martin, the good thing is that you CAN do it.  I think the biggest problem is that you're with the wrong insurer.  I know of a number of UK insurers who will cover you on the 'Ring and make it possible for you to go out there and drive it completely legally.  You can always get in contact with me if you need some help finding good (not just cheap) insurance cover.

In other news muppets showing up with German-look plates are generally turned away at the barriers.  Yet another reason not to buy chav-plates.
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Re: Ring trips 2008
« Reply #23 on: 21 May 2008, 15:33 »
For information we're going back first weekend (and the Monday after) in September.

If anyone is interested in coming out then PM me to discuss further.
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Re: Ring trips 2008
« Reply #24 on: 24 May 2008, 18:24 »


Blimey, Diamond gives 'em both barrels...


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Re: Ring trips 2008
« Reply #25 on: 29 July 2008, 22:34 »
Trip now moved to September 12-16th as Nurburgring GmbH moved the half-day on the Monday by a week.

Bloody Germans.
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