ok thanks for help. im going to try the door membrane thing first, then the rag,tho did have it up on a ramp running and gungummed a couple of joints - made no difference, but it certainly was noisy from the front. (its a stainless magnex exhaust) But i was wondering if (seeing as the exhaust gets loud when the timing is out) if there could be anything else causing the noise apart from the manifold gasket? My car is a bit of a bucket, not like most peoples here i think! Mostly its covered in mud, but when it goes well (not very often) it goes very flippin' fast, and it all seems worth it, and then something else goes wrong ... nnnnggg!