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Re: Golf GTI 8.5 reviews
« Reply #40 on: 15 October 2024, 16:11 »
Joe Achilles Clubsport review.
https://youtu.be/N8_ndsqoFZI?si=1V5gFi_UYHKE1O-E

Ahh, that’s more like it, one to watch when I get home later.
Interested to see if/how they’ve made it still relevant.
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Re: Golf GTI 8.5 reviews
« Reply #41 on: 15 October 2024, 17:07 »
Spoiler Alert:

I know he's more of a BMW man usually but Joe seems very keen on the Clubsport.  Personally I'm  not convinced that it's a significant move up from the Mk8 but then that is also a great driver's car.
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Re: Golf GTI 8.5 reviews
« Reply #42 on: 15 October 2024, 18:08 »
I’ve not watched it yet still, I can vaguely remember seeing Joe review the mk8 Clubby and being impressed a few years ago.
It’s the handling that was/is the standout feature of the Clubsport and I can’t see how the thing can be much improved in that area without creating other compromises. Granted the Clubby and R have a lot of body movement in corners but as a road car with decent ride quality they’re very impressive.
Aside from that remaining pretty unchanged and the power output being the same then the only improvements really are if the ‘always on’ turbo from the R 333 is used and the addition of glossy black trim instead of the less pretty but more practical matte grey.
I’d honestly be stumped as to which model in the range to choose now if I were to order a new Golf.
Unless you’re of the ‘fully loaded R or nothing’ mindset then there’s just too much overlap and encroachment between models - in the UK at least. Obviously other markets have their own idiosyncrasies.
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Re: Golf GTI 8.5 reviews
« Reply #43 on: 15 October 2024, 18:17 »
Another R vid:
https://youtu.be/Zi3eweSmhEQ?si=Err6aSu3LaFLcGa2

Embargo must be fully lifted now.
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Re: Golf GTI 8.5 reviews
« Reply #44 on: 15 October 2024, 21:38 »
Or this one of the 8.5R v GTI Clubsport with Benny Leuchter & Misha.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vjrQK2E-r5w
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Re: Golf GTI 8.5 reviews
« Reply #45 on: 16 October 2024, 10:04 »
I’d honestly be stumped as to which model in the range to choose now if I were to order a new Golf.
Unless you’re of the ‘fully loaded R or nothing’ mindset then there’s just too much overlap and encroachment between models - in the UK at least. Obviously other markets have their own idiosyncrasies.
My view is that they should have just made the clubsport the only GTI and dropped the clubsport name and had the single R version.
Then they could have launched a special edition clubsport model at anniversary time.
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Re: Golf GTI 8.5 reviews
« Reply #46 on: 16 October 2024, 10:47 »
I suspect they haven't done that because the GTI can just about be bought (maybe for fleets?) at under £40k with no options.  There may be a substantial market there which VW would lose if they made the Clubsport the only GTI.
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Re: Golf GTI 8.5 reviews
« Reply #47 on: 16 October 2024, 12:37 »
I suspect they haven't done that because the GTI can just about be bought (maybe for fleets?) at under £40k with no options.  There may be a substantial market there which VW would lose if they made the Clubsport the only GTI.

You have to ask whether the actual cost of making a clubby is any more than a GTI... the cost price is a different thing to the retail price.

I suspect there is a lot of upselling going on there - although the R is a different case.

There's always a hierarchy, its there to tempt more money out of some customers - the people who will pay more for a "better" model. At the same time you also need things to be more affordable to those customers limited by budget.... hence a range of products.

I don't think anyone looks at a Golf Match and doesn't think "I'd like a GTI" but budgets... and you have to presumably match the price points of your competitors somehow.
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Re: Golf GTI 8.5 reviews
« Reply #48 on: 17 October 2024, 20:55 »
I’d imagine a Clubby costs a fraction more to build but certainly not nearly £3k over the GTI
‘23 8R, ‘20 8CS, ‘19 135iX, ‘19 TCR, ‘17 Ed40, ‘17 GTD, ‘15 7R, ‘13 GTI PP, ‘11 GTI, ‘09 GTI, ‘98 Ibiza Cupra, ‘05 GTI, ‘06 Polo GTI, ‘04 GT TDI, ‘05 Fabia vRS, ‘02 GTI T, ‘03 Ibiza TDI 130, ‘01 Leon 180, ‘89 mk2 16v, ‘99 Ibiza TDI, ‘96 VR6, ‘98 Ibiza TDI, ‘92 VR6, ‘88 mk2 8v, ‘92 Polo G40, ‘91 mk2 8v, ‘89 mk2 8v, 205 GTI 1.9, ‘83 mk1 GTI, ‘80 Scirocco GTI, plus some others I’ve forgotten 

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Re: Golf GTI 8.5 reviews
« Reply #49 on: 05 November 2024, 17:47 »
Clubsport review from an actual GTI owner
https://youtu.be/7YgsP2pjBSw?si=UPPnAccRoXHA7bDc
‘23 8R, ‘20 8CS, ‘19 135iX, ‘19 TCR, ‘17 Ed40, ‘17 GTD, ‘15 7R, ‘13 GTI PP, ‘11 GTI, ‘09 GTI, ‘98 Ibiza Cupra, ‘05 GTI, ‘06 Polo GTI, ‘04 GT TDI, ‘05 Fabia vRS, ‘02 GTI T, ‘03 Ibiza TDI 130, ‘01 Leon 180, ‘89 mk2 16v, ‘99 Ibiza TDI, ‘96 VR6, ‘98 Ibiza TDI, ‘92 VR6, ‘88 mk2 8v, ‘92 Polo G40, ‘91 mk2 8v, ‘89 mk2 8v, 205 GTI 1.9, ‘83 mk1 GTI, ‘80 Scirocco GTI, plus some others I’ve forgotten