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Offline Jan DR

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Certainty on Golf 7 facelift and Golf 8 GTI & R?
« on: 02 November 2016, 08:29 »
Hi,

is there any certainty that there will still be a Golf GTI & R for the 7 facelift, and the next generation (8)? As outfall from the Diesel gate, VW is aggressively moving towards an electrified/green future. During the weekend the announced shock retirement from WEC (Audi) and WRC (VW Polo). They will start a Formula E team under the Audi brand, so it's not only for budget reasons...

Wonder what they will do with the GTI/R models on the medium and long term....
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Re: Certainty on Golf 7 facelift and Golf 8 GTI & R?
« Reply #1 on: 02 November 2016, 08:43 »
Yep, buy something fun now because the hippies are definitely going to win and you will be driving an electric lentil in a few years time. This is absolutely of no doubt whatsoever.

Whether that is in 2019 is another matter.

Returning to my original point though:

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Re: Certainty on Golf 7 facelift and Golf 8 GTI & R?
« Reply #2 on: 02 November 2016, 10:43 »
Wonder what they will do with the GTI/R models on the medium and long term....

This next year...

"Currently, CO2 emissions are measured in a laboratory according to the New European Driving Cycle (NEDC).  The Commission is aware of the significant divergence between current test cycle measurements and actual emissions in real world driving. These shortcomings will be addressed with the introduction of a new testing procedure, the Worldwide Harmonised Light-Duty Test Procedure (WLTP), as agreed in the framework of UNECE and requested by Regulation 333/2014 on CO2 emissions from cars. The new test procedure should ensure that the measurements better reflect emissions in real driving conditions and that there is less flexibility in carrying out the tests. The Commission is working towards September 2017 as a target date for WLTP to be in place, coinciding with the timing for the entry into force of RDE testing for NOx."

Then...

http://www.autocar.co.uk/car-news/industry/major-car-makers-face-toughest-emissions-challenge-yet

Maybe that is why VW are pushing electric as a way of reducing the fleet average emissions. :undecided:

Short term - I think the facelift performance models are safe.

Medium term - There may be big changes ahead for the Mk8. Maybe they will focus on economy and efficiency rather than performance. :undecided: Imagine a Golf R that does a genuine 50mpg. Though it would have to be able to match the performance of the current models.

Long Term - think hybrid or electric.

We certainly live in interesting times.

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Re: Certainty on Golf 7 facelift and Golf 8 GTI & R?
« Reply #3 on: 02 November 2016, 11:09 »
The 48V mild hybrid thing is what they are gambling on to achieve the 95g/km target of 100% of new vehicles by 2021.

It seems like most of the European manufacturers have got all of the pieces they need to make this work.

Whether or not a powerful thing like a GTI or R can achieve this even with the mild hybrid tech is questionable, especially as its under the new "real world" test regime.

I did read a thing the other day that they are looking at cooling the electrical system to improve efficiency... using water from the engine cooling system. What could possibly go wrong lol
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Re: Certainty on Golf 7 facelift and Golf 8 GTI & R?
« Reply #4 on: 02 November 2016, 11:37 »
I did read a thing the other day that they are looking at cooling the electrical system to improve efficiency... using water from the engine cooling system. What could possibly go wrong lol

Absolutely nothing since those wonderful VW production line workers screw things together very effectively :rolleyes:
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Re: Certainty on Golf 7 facelift and Golf 8 GTI & R?
« Reply #5 on: 02 November 2016, 13:23 »
The performance models account for a hefty slice of Golf sales so they won't drop them any time soon.
VW are in business to sell as many cars as they can and the whole point of MQB is production flexibility.
While BMW, Merc, Ford and the other big players in Europe are making things that go fast and handle well then VW will have to compete so long as there are willing customers.
You just have to look at VW's in house sister companies which compete in the Golf segment. Audi and SEAT have models up to and above R performance and sensible Skoda have a GTI level car.
The Golf can take so many different types of power plant on its platform and sells in enough volume to accommodate all types of engine to make it viable to produce all manner of variants.
That means petrol high performance models at one end of the spectrum and zero emissions at the other until technology catches up or public demand drops.
While there are still plenty of willing buyers for A45 AMGs and M140i's and Focus RS's (not to mention healthy waiting lists for 5.0 V8 Mustangs which compete on price with R's) then there will be a requirement for VW to have flagship petrol hatches.

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Re: Certainty on Golf 7 facelift and Golf 8 GTI & R?
« Reply #6 on: 02 November 2016, 14:01 »
The 95g/km is a fleet average. Meaning that across everything VW make that has to work out at that figure. They need to sell far more vehicles way under the limit in order to be able to sell any over it.

Since 2015 it's been 130g/km, but the next hurdle in 2021 is tricky - to hit the target they need to use 26% less fossil fuel!

If they don't meet these targets, the financial penalties are very high....

Current: Mk8 GTI DSG, Adelaides, DCC, HUD, HK, Winter Pack, Rear Camera.. Aka "HMS Weasel"

Gone: 2017 Mk7.5 GTD,manual, NavPro
Gone: 2014 Mk7 GTD, manual, NavPro, DCC