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Re: The GTE is officially with us...
« Reply #30 on: 17 January 2015, 11:47 »
Forgive me for being over simplistic and I'm sure the question has been asked a million times but:

How are these things actually 'greener'? There may be less smoke coming out of the arse end but there will be a huge extra draw on the power stations which in turn are then going to have to produce more electric so they'll have masses of extra waste byproduct, be it nuclear or coal fired or whatever. Plus battery disposal at end of life, use of fancy metals to make new batteries...

It's a case of "not in my back garden", as with all "green" things that rely on electricity that is still predominantly derived from fossil fuels. I wouldn't be doing it for environmental conscience, it would be to take advantage of tax breaks. Lets face it though, to make the most out the potential running cost savings, you're going to have to be running electric mode 90% of the time and not tapping into the 150PS of the petrol engine too much.
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« Reply #31 on: 17 January 2015, 13:29 »
An interesting article and representation of data here: http://shrinkthatfootprint.com/electric-cars-green

It all comes down to how green the power is in your Country. Some Countries are so non-green that a normal engined car would be way better than a hybrid/electric. Some obviously vary by area, such as states in the USA - giving good reason for Elon Musk's endeavours starting in California.

In the UK you could always chose a green power supplier, and you would undoubtedly be doing some good with a hybrid if charging at home.

Or has anyone delved into the 'free installation' home solar panel schemes?

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Re: The GTE is officially with us...
« Reply #32 on: 17 January 2015, 14:04 »
An interesting article and representation of data here: http://shrinkthatfootprint.com/electric-cars-green

It all comes down to how green the power is in your Country. Some Countries are so non-green that a normal engined car would be way better than a hybrid/electric. Some obviously vary by area, such as states in the USA - giving good reason for Elon Musk's endeavours starting in California.

In the UK you could always chose a green power supplier, and you would undoubtedly be doing some good with a hybrid if charging at home.

Or has anyone delved into the 'free installation' home solar panel schemes?

Our house faces due South, with unobstructed access to the sun, and no scope for anything to be built in front of us, but those solar panels are so damn ugly and no-one else in the street has them. It's rather off-putting to be the first.

I do find the green agenda to be a bit of a con, a few on the ball companies are making a killing on the home charging points scheme alone.

Up until Sept 14, you could have had the full cost of a home charging point (up to the cost of £1000) paid for by a Government grant. How much do they cost? £1000 of course. After Sept 14, the government will fund 75% of the cost (up to 75% of £1000). How much do they cost now?

Well now they'll fit you one for an invoiced £1000, but they won't need your £250, but will still get £750 off the Government. Overnight these companies were happy to lose 25% of their money.

The unit itself (little more than a transformer and a waterproof plug point with lead), tapped into your exterior electricity meter takes 40 mins for a single electrician to install and would cost you around £140 from a specialist Electrical factor. Massive profiteering. On the open market with no grant the whole process wouldn't bring in more than £250.

As grants diminish with the solar panels, so does the cost to the consumer. So much money to be made by the installers.

Around 40% of our workforce was made redundant in Sept (the rest of us due in June 15), and a few lads clubbed together to set up their own renewable energy installation company (heat pumps and solar panels) - they're doing well and say the margin on an installation is huge(they could fit a new system for £2500 and still make a healthy profit based on what hourly rate a sparky should command + scaffold costs etc) . Regular replacement of the inverters is an ongoing cost to take into account, and to really get the most out of the electricity you're generating you should be using it while you're generating it during the day (using the washing machine and tumbler, electrical heating etc), as there's no way of storing it without one of those ancient electricity meters that can run backwards and remove digits from your reading.
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Re: The GTE is officially with us...
« Reply #33 on: 18 January 2015, 16:51 »
Very impressive performance. 

Watch "2015 VW Golf 7 GTE (204hp) - 0-200 km/h accelerat…" on YouTube
2015 VW Golf 7 GTE (204hp) - 0-200 km/h accelerat…: http://youtu.be/gxRptqAOt7E

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« Reply #34 on: 18 January 2015, 18:07 »
I guess im the only person thinking this is a very complicated motor with so much to go wrong and with VW resent track record of quality issues I wouldn't touch one until they have been out at least a year and sorted out most of the teething problems.
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« Reply #35 on: 18 January 2015, 18:48 »
I guess im the only person thinking this is a very complicated motor with so much to go wrong and with VW resent track record of quality issues I wouldn't touch one until they have been out at least a year and sorted out most of the teething problems.

No Geoff, you are not. I don't have much confidence in VW quality either. They are having major problems with their MQB platform as, so far, it has failed to be the panacea for all that ails Golf production in Wolfsburg. It seems there is huge disruption to production due too the many Golf variants. The robots cannot cope! In fact, they have also resorted to feeding sheets of steel by hand in the pressing plant!
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« Reply #36 on: 18 January 2015, 19:37 »
Monkeyhanger - Interested reading, thanks. I looked into it once more, and if you go for the free option you can save around £140 on electric a year, but yes - relying on the time of day you actually use power. But, if you have a spare £7k in savings it's a pretty nice investment, as you will get £630 a year from the government feed in scheme - plus your own energy savings.

Very impressive performance. 

Watch "2015 VW Golf 7 GTE (204hp) - 0-200 km/h accelerat…" on YouTube
2015 VW Golf 7 GTE (204hp) - 0-200 km/h accelerat…: http://youtu.be/gxRptqAOt7E
Very impressive indeed. I know it's 'brand new' tech, but if I was looking for a car now I would be all over one regardless.



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Re: The GTE is officially with us...
« Reply #37 on: 19 January 2015, 07:55 »
I guess im the only person thinking this is a very complicated motor with so much to go wrong and with VW resent track record of quality issues I wouldn't touch one until they have been out at least a year and sorted out most of the teething problems.

No Geoff, you are not. I don't have much confidence in VW quality either. They are having major problems with their MQB platform as, so far, it has failed to be the panacea for all that ails Golf production in Wolfsburg. It seems there is huge disruption to production due too the many Golf variants. The robots cannot cope! In fact, they have also resorted to feeding sheets of steel by hand in the pressing plant!

It's pretty difficult to implement new automated tech in vehicle building plants. When I used to work at the Ford Transit van plant in Southampton, they went through a lot of windscreens trying to perfect the automation of lifting a windscreen into place. VW's implementation of MQB takes that automation to a whole new level.

They'd probably be better off losing a little theoretical production capability with a few dedicated lines (e.g. one for the sun-roof optioned variants, and then weighting for the other car types based on volume of orders), rather than a "one size fits all (it clearly doesn't right now) approach.

For how long most here keep their cars (not beyond warranty), if I was after a GTE i'd chance it. For the most part electric motors and associated equipment are old tech used in a new way, the car manufacturers know how to make auto-electrics reliably (although some don't due to costs).

VW have made only 1 truly catastrophic engine type in recent years with all the innovation they throw out there (the twin-charged 1.4TSI unit), their general reliability is slightly better than average.

We buying new cars are at the sharp end of product failure. For most things that can go wrong in the first 7 years of ownership (before wear and tear really take their toll), most will happen in the first year when incorrect fitment of a perfectly fine part or correct fitment of a defective part will become apparent quite quickly. Our 0-3 year old cars will probably seem far less reliable than someone running a 3 year old example for 3 years. High residuals on the higher VW Golfs make it almost as cheap to run a new one for 3 years than a 3 year old one for 3 years, which is why I keep coming back for a new one.

Confidence that anything going wrong will be fixed without further expense also comes into play, even if the higher failure rate is an inconvenience when getting it fixed under warranty.
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Re: The GTE is officially with us...
« Reply #38 on: 19 January 2015, 10:54 »
Good post MH!  :-)

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« Reply #39 on: 19 January 2015, 12:35 »
Great post monkyhanger.
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