right rant time, bottom arms have finally got to the poiint where they need to be changed as after all they are the originals. So got the car into the workshop as a spare slot this afternoon, and shears a bolt off in the subframe. No way of getting it out so got to get a new subframe so an hours job is going to take a day now and to top it all as the car is now not drivable had to come home in a sh@tty fiat punto as only thing currently taxed. So all in all a cr@p day