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Offline mcrisp

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Re: Starting problems until warm!
« Reply #40 on: 06 June 2005, 14:32 »
Right i've got some similar problems so i'm gonna join in with this one.

A good battery should in fact kick 13.5 volts when fully charged, sometimes even more.
Perhaps your fuel pump or starter motor or both are a bit ill, meaning that the fuel pump is not working hard enough as you turn the starter cos its not gettin enough juice cos one or the other is drawing too much current cos its a bit knackered...
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Try flicking the ignition on and off several times before actually spinning the starter - each time you do this the pump primes for a few seconds, this will ensure fuel pressure is up and ready to start.

Coil: not difficult to test the resistances, specs are in the haynes.  Just because the coil is sparking when u got a plug out doesn't mean the plug sparks when its in the engine and under compression.

Mine doesn't start at all.  Fuel pump works.  ISV works.  Ignition system checked and tested, all works.  No air leaks.  Airflow flap working.  Help!  Please post any solutions!

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Re: Starting problems until warm!
« Reply #41 on: 06 June 2005, 14:43 »
So you're happy with the ignition system and its sparking ok and when it should..........therefore it must be fuel.

By airflowflap and ISV would I be right in assuming that this is a 16V?

Have you tried cracking the supply line to the metering unit and confirming fuel pressure? If thats ok, then I would pull an injector, stick it in a jar and see if fuel is spraying out when you turn it over.

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Re: Starting problems until warm!
« Reply #42 on: 07 June 2005, 20:25 »
It goes now!  Was nothing actually wrong with it, just low battery voltage and a bit of a damp day and it flooded itself - I guess where these injection systems are fairly basic - don't get offended anyone :wink: - theres nothing that really stops the injectors if the car doesn't actually start - it just keeps pumping it in..

Anyway i'm gonna give it a new coil anyway, have also got a new battery, a big fat diesel one which means I can just do short journeys on the starter motor :grin: and am going to check and clean all earth straps and wires.

As regards ISV problems and the extra fuel valve:

The fuel injection specialist who helped me has on more than one occasion completely cut off the ISV: blocked its tube into the inlet ducting, disconnected it, and simply set the idle up using the idle speed and mixture screws.  This achieved a satisfactory idle - a little slow when cold, a little quick when hot, but stable and usable.

Also, a useful point the specialist gave me.  Provided the ISV is all working ok or at least operating, it is possible to deduce something from the engine behaviour when the throttle is closed: if the revs drop too low and then pick back up to normal tickover, the fuel mixture is too rich.  If the revs drop to a point above normal idle and then gradually settle to idle, the fuel mixture is too lean.  If perfect, the ISV should catch the revs right on the nail, eg engine speed drops perfectly to normal idle with no hesitation.

Extra fuel valve/cold start valve: gives an extra squirt of fuel at actual start up.  Can be responsible for flooding and can be disconnected for start up, especially when the weather is warmer and its not so needed.

Warm up regulator - this is the bigger valve and is likely to cause problems if disconnected.  It uses a bimetallic spring as a temperature sensor, and is linked to the fuel meter/distributor so that it richens the fuel mixture as necessary while the car warms up - this is why the pipes are connected to the fuel dizzy.  If you've got problems in the first few minutes, look here, if its the first few seconds, look at the cold start valve.

Finally, as richandhazel just said, its really easy to check injector performance.  Spray should be even cone shaped, with no drips or dribbles, and must not leak when engine switched off - all of these will cause flooding or droplets in the cylinders - bad for performance and bad for the engine on a long term basis - neat fuel washes the oil off of the cylinder bores, giving greater ring/bore wear.

Phew.. thats all for the mo...
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Re: Starting problems until warm!
« Reply #43 on: 07 June 2005, 20:35 »
Wow! GLAD YOU SORTED IT, THAT'S GREAT ADVICE!!!

"if the revs drop too low and then pick back up to normal tickover, the fuel mixture is too rich."

That's what is happeing to mine! up until the oil temp reaches 60 Degrees and then it is perfect! But my mechanc said the ixture was right! how to i turn it down a tad?
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Re: Starting problems until warm!
« Reply #44 on: 15 July 2005, 19:11 »
jus dconnected my wur and car runs a lot smoother.  Will this do any damage long term by having this dconnected?  Whats it for

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Re: Starting problems until warm!
« Reply #45 on: 15 July 2005, 20:40 »
You just confused the hell out of me as you answered the wrong thread, but the right one if you know what i mean :)

The WUR as far as i am aware is the auto choke :) that connector heats up a coil in side, allows more fuel and air through i think?

Ity will do no damge! - that's from Gambit :) because i was worried also!


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Re: Starting problems until warm!
« Reply #46 on: 19 July 2005, 23:57 »
Check your fuel pump relay. Mine was knackered. Once you turn the ignition on it starts pumping fuel, even if the engine doesn't start.
It ends up thinning your oil because the fuel just drains to your sump....