ok thanks for the ideas, il check them out, wayne, i did have a problem a while back few months, where it kept going onto 3 cylinders so 1st i changed the spark plugs, but done few little test and then thought it was a coilpack what i narrowed it down to, so just bought a second hand on just to see if it may fix the problem but still did it, i have a feeling it maybe the wiring that leads to the the coilpack, where on earth could i take that to be checked out without getting raped from a garage? lol