Changes to new drivers soon?

[Jimp]

You can drive on a provisional but you must be accompanied by a driver with a full license. In theory it makes sense. In practice only a handful of people follow the rule. I follow the speed limits and rules quite strictly and even I flaunted that one. I lived an hour and a half away from work and my mum had her own job to get to so I just drove there myself. Nobody cared, I learned plenty about taking care of myself on the roads, nothing exploded 
Recently the police are cracking down on people with provisionals but it's only happened to a handful of people. Similar to my case, if you are driving sensibly then nobody minds. Most of the people who have been hit with the provisional rule were stopped for other things like speeding or dangerous/erratic driving.

[Jimp]

Aye, the economy is in tatters but certain tech industries are alright. I studied instrumentation and control systems, currently working in a refinery for a few months. Most lads in my college class are in work at the moment. That said it's all contract stuff so it comes and goes.
Weather's been picking up the last few years though

[the_stink]

as someone already mentioned it would make more sense to make the pass plus a standard part of the driving test as most will just want to get behind the wheel and go and drive instead of havign to pay another ££££ and so many hours of more lessons to get the pass plus,

i remember the first time on the motorway after passing my test was a pure accident took teh wrong exit and then realised i was driving down the slip road to join the motor way and bricked it but as one of my mates said just keep up with the other cars but wasnt a pleasant experience as i had never been in that situation until that point and similar to night driving the first time i had to drive at night i didnt even know how to turn the bloody lights on had to ring my mum to ask how to do it as all my lessons were in the day and at that time and again i was in a new skoda fabia and my first car was a 1.0 nova , manual choke the lot

but again the amount of dangerous old drivers is unreal! some just not paying attention, driving way too slow which in itself can be more dangerous than driving too fast

what would happen if they made a retest after 20 yrs or so a standard practise? most would do fine but im sure alot would fail on silly things we just dismiss as 'we know how to drive'

I think teaching people to drive in old cars would be better as you can really appreciate the differnce unless your lucky enough to have a car bought for you that is nice and new

I thought most insurance companies wouldnt isure a younger driver ie 21 on a more powerfull car unless you had 2 NCD etc

thats not to mention the amount of uninsured drivers, mods not being declared etc etc as if they do they cant afford the prem so they just dont tell the insurance company, when i worked in motor claims the amount of calls from engineers who had inspected a car and had a long list of mods that werent declared was mental, you then tell the parent who is the 'main driver' you need to pay an extra £600 to cover the mods and then your not covered as you invalidated your insurance as a fronted policy

[Mitching]

No matter how many lessons they've had, chavvy twits are still gonna drive like chavvy twits or they're gonna panic non stop.

As has been said, I think power restrictions could be a good idea. Smaller engine cars may be able to top a tonne, but if there was a small stretch of road they probably wouldn't even be able to reach the speed limit before they had to brake again.

[Jimp]

Teaching in older cars can be educational but I've known plenty who have gone from older cars to more modern cars (mk4 and onwards) and suddenly think they are invincible because of 'all the new safety features'. Then they drive like careless idiots.
Rather than old car vs new car a general appreciation and awareness of your own car and other cars on the road would be a good idea.

[cняis]

as someone already mentioned it would make more sense to make the pass plus a standard part of the driving test as most will just want to get behind the wheel and go and drive instead of havign to pay another ££££ and so many hours of more lessons to get the pass plus,

i remember the first time on the motorway after passing my test was a pure accident took teh wrong exit and then realised i was driving down the slip road to join the motor way and bricked it but as one of my mates said just keep up with the other cars but wasnt a pleasant experience as i had never been in that situation until that point and similar to night driving the first time i had to drive at night i didnt even know how to turn the bloody lights on had to ring my mum to ask how to do it as all my lessons were in the day and at that time and again i was in a new skoda fabia and my first car was a 1.0 nova , manual choke the lot

This.

I mean come on, learner drivers should be made to drive at night, in rain, and on motorways (providing you live near enough!)

Its been mentioned a few times "my ex gf passed her test and had no spatial awareness"... Been there done that, her driving was awful  And yet she passed 1st time! Make the test more than just a "ticking boxes" exercise, involve a "common sense" approach.

[richw911]

Whilst I'd welcome making driving on motorways part of the training how would you enforce it in areas which are miles away from motorways??

The nearest stretch of motorway when I lived back home was 50 miles away..........

BHP won't work.  The Nissan Micra I used had 75bhp and was good for triple figures 

The training needs and should include ALL aspects of driving from night to poor conditions.  Training on different types of roads is the hardest part as some people don't live near these types of roads i.e I didn't as per the above

Agreed   

Still think you shouldn't be able to drive any car after passing your test though.

Everyone should learn in a real Mini no power steering - Choke and crap brakes 

[cняis]

Whilst I'd welcome making driving on motorways part of the training how would you enforce it in areas which are miles away from motorways??

The nearest stretch of motorway when I lived back home was 50 miles away..........

BHP won't work.  The Nissan Micra I used had 75bhp and was good for triple figures 

The training needs and should include ALL aspects of driving from night to poor conditions.  Training on different types of roads is the hardest part as some people don't live near these types of roads i.e I didn't as per the above

Agreed   

Still think you shouldn't be able to drive any car after passing your test though.

Everyone should learn in a real Mini no power steering - Choke and crap brakes 

Drum all round FTW! No straight-line braking here!

[Mr_F]

Whilst I'd welcome making driving on motorways part of the training how would you enforce it in areas which are miles away from motorways??

The nearest stretch of motorway when I lived back home was 50 miles away..........

BHP won't work.  The Nissan Micra I used had 75bhp and was good for triple figures 

The training needs and should include ALL aspects of driving from night to poor conditions.  Training on different types of roads is the hardest part as some people don't live near these types of roads i.e I didn't as per the above

Agreed   

Still think you shouldn't be able to drive any car after passing your test though.

Everyone should learn in a real Mini no power steering - Choke and crap brakes 

Drum all round FTW! No straight-line braking here!

Mark 1 Land Rover Defender, that skills you up on acceleration, planning ahead, breaking and carrying speed.  Could take a few Student bumps too!