Ok so here is were I'm at now(my wits ends),radiator changed(bgger rad from a passat,not new but flushed & flushing),water pump changed,thermo changed,coolant added,car started & left to run to temp(temp hitting 3/4)all pipes getting hot,top & bottom rad pipe,matrix pipes,expansion to head pipe,fan kicks in but temp stays the same.Honestly,I'm at completely stumped & losing faith,sorry to be doing your heads in :roll: but if anyone has had this b4 & cured it your advice is muchly appreciated...new I should have went on that mechanics course when I was younger. :?