Who has Dynaudio?

[R32UK]

That dude looks like hes from the 1920's anyway!! Got better advice from richer sounds dare I say*

thats not actually true

[AdrianM]

I certainly wasnt arguing that the mechanisms are not the same. After all we all have 5 fingers on our hands but it doesnt make them the same. It how we interpret the sound thats important.

I once popped into a well known audio shop in Brighton to test some new speakers I was looking at, so took down some of my own music.
After the test I told the gent I didnt think they were upto the job and struggled a little. He obviously took offence to this and hooked up some £11k speaker to prove it wasnt the equipment at fault but me!!

tbh althought they sounded a little better I just couldnt see the £10k difference in the speakers, and my current set up sounded alot better. He then decided to blame the the type of music i brought it. wtf???  I proptly left! just because i didnt want to listen to country and western on a med volume my opinion was totally discounted.

I for one dont believe much of this crap audiophiles splurt out. I trust only one persons judgement when it comes to music.... and that is mine, because quite simply thats what counts.

Yes, some of the stuff they believe in is just bizarre. I very much enjoy walking around HiFi shows and having a laugh at some of the stuff that is being peddled to the gullible.

FWIW, very much of what you hear is the room acoustics so, to be fair, that shop is Brighton may just have crappy acoustics (not really a good excuse for an audio shop though) and that's why those speakers didn't sound too good. I've had similar demos; one of the most disappointing were a pair B&W 802D. My B&W 804S at home sounded much better. But having said that, there are a lot of over priced esoteric speakers out there that sound worse than speakers that can be had for a few quid in Argos.

[R32UK]

I agree.. I was only at uni at the time so my DM602 S2 were more than enough for a room the size of a shoe box 

think the 15" 400W sub i borrowed on trial was a bit of an overkill though 

[howlingmoon]

What a good read I must say... but for me, having the Dynaudio speakers was not an option because as Adrian had said in his earlier post that the ambient sound in any car will affect the experience of the sounds coming out of any system in a car i.e. road noise, engine noise, rattles and etc. If it is a toss between upgrading the sound components or updrading to xenons, leather chairs in a car, IMO will ultimately depend on the type of car as well as the sound proofing it has... For the GTI, I feel the point is to hear the engine growl as well as to experience the feel of whizzing down the road with road noises etc. Plus to have a drivers' engagement in shifting gears when one hears revs reaching the peak... ahhhhhh so in conclusion, I feel the standard system is more than adequate...

HM

[VWKev]

^^ I think when it gets to this kind of level its all very subjective. Does everyone have the same hands?? does everyone have the same tongue?? So why would everyone assume we all have the same ears??

Its not about what other say sounds better... its about what you think sounds better!!

Actually, yes, we do have pretty much the same mechanisms in our head related to hearing with generally the same sensitivities; 20Hz to 20kHz, plus or minus. The last time I measured mine I could hear down to about 16Hz and up to around 17kHz. The younger you are and the more careful you've been the more likely you are to hear down to and up to these limits.

But, the major problem with people's hearing is that it's crap. Generally speaking.

For instance, our memory for how something sounds is just several seconds so comparing whether one sound is "better" than another is problematic in the extreme. You may think that this is not the case but it's a fact. So, for example, people comparing one set of speakers to another by switching cables (which may take a few minutes or so) are wasting their time. Of course, if they sound vastly different that remains fairly obvious but comparing subtle differences this way is very difficult indeed. It's why a/b and abx switch boxes tend to be used so you can switch instantly from one to another.

There are also problems with our mind interfering with what we hear; put in a impressive looking thick cable that you think will improve the sound and you will hear an improvement, sometimes dramatically so. Put on a blind fold, change the cable for a piece of lamp cord of adequate gauge without the person knowing and they will still hear the improvement. Remove the blind fold and suddenly the sound will be awful, "constricted", "lacking air", or whatever silly euphemisms audiophiles use these days.

Our hearing is so prone to influence by other factors unrelated to actually what we hear that the only real way of objectively making judgements with regard to sound is to perform a blind test, preferably double blind. These psychoacoustic principles are well known and documented.

There was tests done a while ago, please don't ask me to dig them out as It was a few years..........What they were doing was doing a blind taste test. The test was done with a bowl of custard and in the center of the bowl was some strawberry jam. Unblindfolded, the tasted the jam perfectly fine. They got blindfolded and their bowls swapped with custard and a tasteless red syrup instead of the jam. The blindfolds taken off, tasted again and they all still tasted strawberry jam.

Going by what you have just said, and we take the same analogy into account, not only are audiophiles stupid, but they cant taste properly either ?

There's a lot going on in the mind/brain when you take one of the senses away.

[mac7]

Very interesting thread. I used to be interested in hi-fi 20 years ago and always challenged such things as bi-wiring with an 'audiophile' colleague.

Anyway, I like a good sound in the car and have never been happy with stock VW offerings so I'm leaning towards Dynaudio. However, getting a dealer to do a back-to-back comparison of the Dynaudio and standard systems has so far proved impossible. If I'm going to pay £700 for something, I want to know I'm going to be happy with it first.

There's a lot going on in the mind/brain when you take one of the senses away.

I've stopped listening to anything my brain tells me. 

[VWKev]

Very interesting thread. I used to be interested in hi-fi 20 years ago and always challenged such things as bi-wiring with an 'audiophile' colleague.

Anyway, I like a good sound in the car and have never been happy with stock VW offerings so I'm leaning towards Dynaudio. However, getting a dealer to do a back-to-back comparison of the Dynaudio and standard systems has so far proved impossible. If I'm going to pay £700 for something, I want to know I'm going to be happy with it first.

There's a lot going on in the mind/brain when you take one of the senses away.

I've stopped listening to anything my brain tells me. 

At least yours still talks to you, mine fell out with me a long time ago. 

[ErikGTI]

Hi

I am still still in doubt if I should order the Dynaudio...

Obviously it is great to read that the sound (standard speakers) has improved (maybe due to the quality of the RCD510 compared to say the RCD300)..
Being an extreme audiophile (you can google my name ...and feel sorry  ) I listen only at home seriously to Jazz and Classical..besides that I might be to busy listening to the car's revs....but on the other hand Dynaudio is a serious audio designer....

Anyway after absorbing this thread I have two further remarks...the first is that Rolfe should not blame Ivor Tievenbrunn for the bi-wiring bit...believe me he knows what he is on about ....and secondly VWKev..all kudo's to him, he is also very accurate in this topic advising about audio.......

My point to revive this after a couple of months, are there now anymore guys/girls with real-life experience on this matter at this stage....

[flc1962]

Hi

I am still still in doubt if I should order the Dynaudio...

Obviously it is great to read that the sound (standard speakers) has improved (maybe due to the quality of the RCD510 compared to say the RCD300)..
Being an extreme audiophile (you can google my name ...and feel sorry  ) I listen only at home seriously to Jazz and Classical..besides that I might be to busy listening to the car's revs....but on the other hand Dynaudio is a serious audio designer....

Anyway after absorbing this thread I have two further remarks...the first is that Rolfe should not blame Ivor Tievenbrunn for the bi-wiring bit...believe me he knows what he is on about ....and secondly VWKev..all kudo's to him, he is also very accurate in this topic advising about audio.......

My point to revive this after a couple of months, are there now anymore guys/girls with real-life experience on this matter at this stage....

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