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Model specific boards => Golf mk2 => Topic started by: sidecarphil on 09 December 2008, 13:38

Title: starting problems AGAIN
Post by: sidecarphil on 09 December 2008, 13:38
ok so my golf GTi 8v digi si playing up again

when i start cold it is perfect but as soon as the coolent temps rise the engine start's run's for a few seconds then misses a few times (as if the engine is running out of fuel ) then stop's

if i rev the engine it coughs and misses more till it eventually stop's

as soon as it stop's no fuel pump can be heard , but if i turn the ignition off then on again the fuel pump primes and the engine will start again but the whole cycle start's again !!!

i have replaced all the usuall suspect's with GENUINE VW item's including cam belt , dissy cap and rotor arm , plug leads and plug's , coil , oil and filter , fuel filter , airfilter , blue temp sensor

i also replaced due to a bad earth frying it the ECU for the engine

am i correct in saying there is 2 fuel pump's on these cars ??? if so which does wat ?? is there one that primes and one that run's normally ??
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if i cant fix this problem i WILL have to sell the car  :cry: :cry: as i need a reliable car for work

PLEASE HELP
Title: Re: starting problems AGAIN
Post by: sidecarphil on 09 December 2008, 13:39
Also i have done the Digi set up guide  :undecided: :undecided: :undecided:
Title: Re: starting problems AGAIN
Post by: rubjonny on 09 December 2008, 13:41
1st step, disconnec the plug from the main pump under the car, turn key 1 click.  you should hear the in-tank pump prime, if not its bust, and it needs another, or the wiring to it is bust.

next step, when it starts doing it, get under the car and listen/feel the main pump.  If the pump stops before the car cuts out, this is the problem!  In this case, a new fuel pump relay is #1 on the list if that doesnt help either the ecu earth feed is suspect or the wiring to the under-car pumps.

Edit: Or the main pump itself, this would be the case if you heard the in-tank pump running after the main pump stopped as they both are powered by the same wire.
Title: Re: starting problems AGAIN
Post by: sidecarphil on 09 December 2008, 14:14
thank you as always rubjonny

ok i will be checking on saturday when i'm not working and can use the ramp at work  :smiley: :smiley:

any thing else to check ??



Title: Re: starting problems AGAIN
Post by: richard s on 09 December 2008, 19:35
long shot but see if the pinch bolt on the dizzy is tight i had mine come loose and for a week or so it was ok and then all of a sudden it started running like a bag of sh!t and then it wasnt to bad then all of a sudden it wouldnt pull when i set off
Title: Re: starting problems AGAIN
Post by: sidecarphil on 13 December 2008, 17:22
ok now i am p155ed with this dam car !!!!!!

it wont run at all now when it is warm it just very *friendly* personters for a while and stop's all the time , if i keep my foot in it splutters and comes back for about 30 seconds then starts spluttering again

if i turn the ignition off and on again it will run for about a minuite then spluttering a stop's

i chacked both fuel pump's and they are both ok even when it start's spluttering

the dissy is tight and moving it makes no differance to this problem

checked the feed and switch at the coil and feed is 12v and th switch is still switching when till the engine stop's

help please or i'm scrapping it !!!!!!
Title: Re: starting problems AGAIN
Post by: Khare on 13 December 2008, 17:58
you sure you dont have any major air leaks in the vacum system?
Title: Re: starting problems AGAIN
Post by: sidecarphil on 13 December 2008, 18:02
yep they are all checked from end to end  :undecided:

Title: Re: starting problems AGAIN
Post by: Khare on 13 December 2008, 18:05
try and get hold of another ECU, might be your one, maybe its corrupted or something.
Title: Re: starting problems AGAIN
Post by: sidecarphil on 13 December 2008, 18:16
it is a new one from america

i have a problem borrowing one as my car has a CAT so not all of them fit and CAT fitted cars are more rare then non CAT

i was wondering if it was that , think i will try a coil and a ignition amp , think some thing is loosing it's ing feed
Title: Re: starting problems AGAIN
Post by: sidecarphil on 14 December 2008, 09:12
ok now i am convinced there is something hot and cutting out

i started the car this morning and it is 0 degrees out side , started really well , warmed up to oil temp 54 then started spluttering coughing

i think something like the coil is cutting out , cooling down and working again

is this something any one else has had ??

thanks again Phil
Title: Re: starting problems AGAIN
Post by: mattkh on 14 December 2008, 09:46
HI
Does the coil get hot ?
Tighten all the spade connectors on the coil terminals.
Title: Re: starting problems AGAIN
Post by: sidecarphil on 14 December 2008, 12:15
spades are tight i did a pin drag test on all elec connectors

coil not getting overly hot no

neither is the ign amp

 :undecided: :undecided: :undecided:
Title: Re: starting problems AGAIN
Post by: sidecarphil on 14 December 2008, 15:13
ok i looked at the lambda probe and the wires on the connector, one was out of the connector , plugged it back in but not fixed !!!

so maybe the lambda is broken
Title: Re: starting problems AGAIN
Post by: danny_p on 14 December 2008, 16:40
it's rare but the TCI can play up   normaly when the heatsink has corroded behind it. there cheep enough  to replace to see if it has any effect. 

dose the car cut dead or struggel and chough then give up ?
Title: Re: starting problems AGAIN
Post by: sidecarphil on 14 December 2008, 18:52
TCI ????

cough's splutters and gives up after 30 second's but restart's perfectly

have been told the lambda heater stay's on for 30 sec's then the probe takes over measuring the co level , so i was pointed in the lamdba probe direction
Title: Re: starting problems AGAIN
Post by: danny_p on 14 December 2008, 19:12
ok  not that then

unplug the lambda and see what happens.  if it ain't there at all it should run fine   just uses default map setting like a normal digi 2 car 
Title: Re: starting problems AGAIN
Post by: sidecarphil on 14 December 2008, 19:59
tried that it sort of cleared but it was coughing and spluttering still

i have got a spare in a 4 branch mainfold i bought from a guy i work with so i will try that tommorrow
Title: Re: starting problems AGAIN
Post by: sidecarphil on 18 December 2008, 11:51
ok boy's i think i have fixed it  :evil:

the connector to the ecu was green with corrosion and the lambda probe was fooba'd

fitted my 4 branch manifold yesterday with a new lambda probe in it and the car goes loads better

thanks for the help and advice  :smiley: :smiley: