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General => Detailing => Topic started by: 08micsta on 27 November 2008, 10:25
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Hello guys
My client has approached me about detailing this vehicle and doing some paint correction. The vehicle is a 1996 MK3 Golf.
I took a look at the car today and I am left completely confused. :(
Here is the problem:
(http://i183.photobucket.com/albums/x255/08micsta/DSCF1479.jpg)
(http://i183.photobucket.com/albums/x255/08micsta/DSCF1483.jpg)
(http://i183.photobucket.com/albums/x255/08micsta/DSCF1480.jpg)
What is this??
My first thought was oxidation. But looking closer at it (with the owner staring over my back) I couldnt quite figure what it was. Its got a rough texture and smooths out on the edges of the bonnet. The bonnet is the only part affected besides this:
(http://i183.photobucket.com/albums/x255/08micsta/DSCF1486.jpg)
The rest of the car is in really good condition considering the colour and age of the vehicle:
(http://i183.photobucket.com/albums/x255/08micsta/DSCF1484.jpg)
Another weird thing is that the paint flushes nicely with no issues (Nice flake too) and then suddenly on the corner of the bonnet is this again and its really bad:
(http://i183.photobucket.com/albums/x255/08micsta/DSCF1491.jpg)
My client said that it deteriated like this over a period of two weeks and he does not know why. Looking at it closely it seems as if the paint was melted or something.
Is this an example of clearcoat failure? What could have cause this and more importantly how do I rectify it?
Im assuming wetsanding may be needed but how do I know there is a decent layer of paint under this muck?
I have accepted the work but was wondering if you guys new what this was and what methods I should take rectifying it? I have also posted this on Detailing world but want as much advice as I can get. What do you guys think?
Thanks everyone.
Mike
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It looks to me something dodgy has been put on the paint. If you look at the second pic you can see distinct lines around the washer jet. Could really badly applied (or contaminated) lifetime sealant cause this maybe? Or maybe a chemical was spilled e.g. brake fluid, but not washed off properly?
Looks like a tough job.
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Do you think it can be fixed though? Or should I get quotes for a respray for the owner and include that in the detail?
Mike
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For the price of a respray won't it be cheaper to get another mk3.
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^^^
:grin: :grin: :grin:
This is true :evil:
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my first mk3 had this problem on the drivers side wing,compounding/polishing was a waste of time.
your looking at a respray on this one :sad: the clearcoat is fooooked
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It seems that way hey.... :sad:
I have spoken to the client and suggested I pop around tomorrow and just with a quick hand polish have a go at a taped off area and see what it does... If it makes zero difference then I will have to see what I can do for him.
Mike
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had this on my mates fiesta, cant remember what we did to mend it thow :embarassed:
try 182 :wink:
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I posted this on DW so Im sure blue will see it... I think wetsanding may cure it... :lipsrsealed:
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hope you get some kind of result :wink: try a bit of g3 paste.
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G3 paste? Whats that? :undecided:
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its a heavy duty compound and can strip paint in the wrong hands, it might do the trick on that clearcoat and smooth it out. you can get it in big tins or you can get different grades of it in 1ltr bottles.
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Sorry mate. Im a tad stupid and would not even dare use a product like that :lipsrsealed:
I would screw that one up badly :laugh:
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To the OP
In no way is this meant to sound rude, but if you don't know what the problem is you aren't really qualified to tackle the task in hand and, for your own protection, avoid this like the plague.
From the photos, it looks to me like the clearcoat has marbled, in which case cutting and polishing won't do too much good. if it is clearcoat failure then then only solution for an A1 job is to remove the clearcoat and re-apply it - i.e. respray time.
As has been said by others, a car that's worth a few hundred quid isn't really a prime candidate for a job that is likely to cost 5 times the value of the car. The owner clearly isn't sentimentally attached, or wouldn't have let the car get to this state in the first place.
If you say to him you'll have a go, will he be expecting a 10/10 job? Is he going to be an a55hole if you don't get it up to scratch? If so, I'd give this one a wide berth old chap...
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Hello
In no way is this meant to sound rude, but if you don't know what the problem is you aren't really qualified to tackle the task in hand and, for your own protection, avoid this like the plague.
Neither do most people on detailing world. I know Im not qualified and technically I dont think you can be qaulified to be a detailer. There isnt much formal training available. I was told to avoid that Audi and got into a whole lot of rubbish because of it and look at it now and I did it with half the equipment you guys have.
From the photos, it looks to me like the clearcoat has marbled, in which case cutting and polishing won't do too much good. if it is clearcoat failure then then only solution for an A1 job is to remove the clearcoat and re-apply it - i.e. respray time.
It does seem that way... Which is why im happy I asked for help instead of accepting the job immediately... You guys teach us a lot.
As has been said by others, a car that's worth a few hundred quid isn't really a prime candidate for a job that is likely to cost 5 times the value of the car. The owner clearly isn't sentimentally attached, or wouldn't have let the car get to this state in the first place.
You shouldnt judge people that way. The rest of that car is in immaculate condition. If you read my original post you will see that the car has minimal swirls and is in top condition, I didnt even bother taking pics of teh interior because it was so neat. I dont judge my details on the value of the. I judge it on how much better I can make the car look. I will explain to the owner what the issue yet try my best to rectify it.
If you say to him you'll have a go, will he be expecting a 10/10 job? Is he going to be an a55hole if you don't get it up to scratch? If so, I'd give this one a wide berth old chap...
He is a good friend of mine and I have already expressed my concerns to him. He realises that this may be an issue but Im sure he will just have it done anyway... As you said. Its an oldish car. Lots of spares around.
Please dont see me as coming across negetively. Im honestly not.
mike
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Looks like some sort of paintstripper has ruined the paintwork ... vandalism of some sort ...
But thats just me guessing.
Good luck either way trying to rectify it :)
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i would say that that was one of a couple of things, its either like said before clear coat failure as in the factory its a well known fact all mass manufacturers scrimp on laquer as its damned expensive stuff, or my other thought is it looks a bit paint 'burning' where the clear coat is polished so vigerously that it warps the laquer and 'burns' it which reults in this type of thing.
I would say the best way to cure it if it is either of these things is a trip to a body shop and painty painty laquery laquery but unless its all over the car u may get away with the panel and a blend panel next to it
just my humble opinion as a painter :D
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This is a binder problem. Where the laquer is mixed athe the shop/factory ie before it was mixed with thinners and hardners. All laquers and paints are made up of various materials including a binder which keeps the whole lot stabilized... this was a either a bad mix or bad resources This is quite common, I have seen it on many cars not just metallics. This can also happen through excessive heat but dont think this is the case. you will probly find that it has effected the base-coat underneath aswell. The only way is to flat back and re-paint im afraid and personally would do the whole thing not just the affected area as it may come up elsewhere.